EVE General Discussion

And you wouldn't even have to RMT like Somer to get there.

So, in your words, you've been told TRILLIONS of times by the community that you do a poor job representing the community, but prefer to ignore these criticisms from the community because that would mean you'd have to start representing that community.

Got it, thank you for your service.

This is a surprisingly mature post. Thanks. However our answer is a definite no... No we don't want any "grey" anymore. We want it black and white, with lines clearly drawn and pretty visible when anyone attempts to play a dirt game. It is mostly so when it comes to most matters in game, it should be so with CCP's other dealings as well. I understand that some people in the grey with white intentions might have losses. But then this is where a hard choice comes in, which CCP seems very very clearly delaying. It is a choice between us and the white in grey.

The consciense of the gaming community is deeply wounded and every week that passes by, more and more of the good intentions are dying. Please, as CSM, encourage CCP as hard as you can to make that choice and draw the lines ASAP. I understand that this involves a lot of intricacies and complications, but it is not rocket science either.

*continues reading this thread.

Now I remember why I have skipped voting for any CSM members these past few years...

Don't try playing the "I have been forced into being a politician" card with me. It does not work.

If you joined the CSM is because you felt like you could do something and you knew that people would hold you accountable for what you do, say and also don't say or not do.

CCP wants to take time to assess the situation with the stakeholders before stating a public policy on the matter of RMT through GTC isk token bonuses. It's becoming obvious this is another maneuver to gain time and keep this matter in that "grey area" they're trying to create.

We as constumers however are not forced to keep paying for unfair service while waiting indefinitely for a resolution and have the power to refuse this conduct from CCP by unsubbing our accounts.

Furthermore we should only resub them when the policy regarding the community services, fansites and GTC isk tokens RMT is announced, clear and subject to be applied to every entity/player without exception.

Giving you opinions, concerns and votes somehow seems highly useful.


Plz tell me it didn't take them to tag you with a yellow sticker and allow you into the coolboi's club for you to find that out. Even a blind man can see the huge ammount of BS going on in there.

Great job CCP! I was only back for about 4 months this time before your greed, favoritism, and utter incompetence ruined my desire to play again. You guys are like a dog that can't seem to learn to stop pissing in the house.

2 of my 3 accounts expire next week, and the third one expires a week after that. Time to do the only thing CCP understands.

You might as well disband the CSM and save the money, you are obviously not using them for anything and I have a feeling you may need that money soon.

I don't think a survey is a particularly good idea, for several reasons. One is the delay it necessarily imposes on getting any sort of resolution to the current problems. Another is that it introduces a new thing for players to complain about, in that there is no way any set of questions will be viewed as appropriate by all involved. The results will always be seen as flawed in some way.

But much more troubling than the idea of a survey is that the idea of a survey was proposed by the CSM. The CSM, in my view, is supposed to represent the player base. Democracy is a very messy process, and we went through it already to elect the CSM. Now we have them in place, and as veteran EVE players they should be capable of expressing reasonable player concerns to CCP, quickly and directly, without delay, and without conducting a survey or investigation or otherwise dragging things out for an extended period.

I have to assume that if CCP headquarters was on fire, immediate action would be taken to put the fire out. And if for some reason CCP was unable to decide what action would most likely put out the fire, and consulted the CSM, that the CSM would respond with some immediate sage advice regarding fire extinguishers, water, and calling the fire department. Clearly this current situation is not seen as an emergency by either CCP or the CSM. It appears to be something to be taken under advisement for possible further consideration, after lengthy collection of data. Possibly in the hope that the storm will blow over before any action is required.

My grandfather always told me that even a poor decision is better than indecision. I still believe him, even after making plenty of poor decisions. I personally would like to see some immediate corrective action. It may not be perfect. Hell, I wouldn't expect it to be. And if and when it becomes apparent that it wasn't quite right, it can be followed by some more corrective action. Just don't sit around waiting for the game to burn.

CCP is not the "King".

CCP is the "Company". Companies don't have subjects, they have "customers".

There are not many available customers for MMO companies, especially companies that already self select out a very specific group of customers by the nature of their game and business model. This gives them a rather small market to begin with.

It turns out in an MMO those customers invest a tremendous amount of time and energy into the game, and since they feel their only recourse (and you can ask yourself why they feel this is their only recourse... because that alone is a failure of the company) is to quit and throw all of that way - they are understandably upset.

Smart companies get concerned when their customers are upset because they value EVERY customer. Those companies understand that the upset customers deserve better than to be dismissed merely because they are upset. Especially when that market is small, you've already self selected out too many potential customers to afford to dismiss those you do have. Smart companies understand that how you handle your most irate, most difficult customer speaks more about you than how you deal with the calm and agreeable ones.

Thankfully, and I hope I am right here, but I believe based on my own conversations with Hilmar over "monoclegate" that he gets this.

If the ragey, trolling, and sarcastic responses by some of the community are bad - smug and dismissive responses from CSM members and/or CCP employees are far worse.

Everyone needs to be patient - but the CSM and CCP also need to understand why there is so much outrage and they need to take it seriously and more specifically, they need make sure people believe it is being taken seriously. It is one thing to take it seriously, it is another to convey that message successfully.

The continued upset you are hearing is because people DO NOT feel that way. Which means your message is getting muddled.

As for those upset folks - let me say this:

I believe that I have heard enough in the subtext and tweenspeak of some of the responses and rumor I am hearing to know that there are at least folks in the trenches who get it and who see these things with clarity. I believe that somewhere behind the scenes we have the advocates we need.

Even if we did not - then this is not a company worthy of our stress and concern. Be patient, and let those who have the ethical clarity and good business sense to see the way through this and who are in a position to influence the response on this issue... let them do their job.

If they fail, then we can make sure our voice is heard. Until then - be patient.