Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I disagree. I run a tachyon Paladin and can't wait to be able to tear through guristas without being jammed a single time, Serpentis without being damped, Sansha without being TD'ed, while being able to get to a far away acceleration gate quickly thanks to the bonused MJD. Furthermore, with the fitting I'm using now, it'll get 74km optimal with Multifrequency.

However, I used to run a Vargur pre TE-nerf, and I've got to admit the arty fits I tried on EFT are pretty disappointing when compared to the tachyon Paladin.

Edit : In addition, I'll replace the useless (because of the loss of velocity factor bonus) web I've put on my Paladin with a sensor booster and then lock farther and/or faster (considering the buffed base lock range of the hull). Taking into account the very recent buff to local armor repairers, it will become a tanking beast dealing death on the battlefield.

Of course, I'm writing strictly about PvE (missions and plexes, not incursions (at least not Vanguards)).

The recharge rate won't be 'slightly faster' once you allow for the increased cap size, but almost double. That's huge, as with only four lasers eating cap the Paladin will be able to afford to run an active tank very aggressively or run an MWD constantly, giving it more mobility than its low speed suggests. So, this extra cap makes the Paladin both mobile and tanky.

Marauders:

Question 1: "What are we trying to create?", or "what problem are we trying to solve?"

Start there.

Bastion does not solve a known problem in PVE.
The MJD bonus does not solve a known problem in PVE.

A small and arguable reduction in level 4 mission time is not the basis of a complete 3-month long project to overhaul an entire ship class. That would be a mis-allocation of resources - like space dolls.

"What are we trying to create?", "what problem are we trying to solve?"

Respectfully, would someone on the CSM or in the dev team kindly be able to give me a convincing answer to this?

Once we know what you are trying to create, we are in a position to judge objectively whether the proposal represents a valid solution.

At the moment, it looks just like change for change's sake. That is not a good foundation for progress.

Progress begins with a strongly defined objective.

"competing with faction battleships" is not an objective. That's a comparison. What do you actually want the players to be able to achieve with marauders? What activities do you wish to specifically disallow?

Start there. Rational discourse can then follow.

Well, it massively increases solo PvE income.....if you're willing to take the risk. They can run L5 missions at over twice the rate of any other subcapital, clear nullsec and/or wormhole anoms at over twice the rate, and they can salvage while you're doing this leading to 2-3 times the income that was possible before from any of these sources.

Assuming no-one molests you, soloing C4s or even C3s in one of these returns more ISK/hour than any current PvE activity. C3/C4 sleeper battleships are worth on average about 15-20m ISK EACH, and these ships can fit enough gank to kill one in under a minute while still easily tanking the site. It's much better ISK/hour than capital escalations in a C6 and has probably far less risk, as C4s are very sparsely populated.

Sleeper frigs orbit at 5-6.5km and can all be smartbombed with faction smartbombs, sleeper cruisers die in 3 volleys and 1200 DPS kills a sleeper battleship in about a minute. You can probably exceed 300m/hour if you find an untouched wormhole with 30 sites up.

Correct, be individually they don't solve any known PVE problem.
If the two are used in conjunction with each other, meaning both are on the ship, it allows safer solo completion of high end PVE sites.
The problem that still needs to be addressed is how one will take a billion isk ship out to these sites without becoming kill mail fodder for every ship they pass.

I've only run a few L5s in fleet a long time ago, so I may be mistaken, but don't most of L5s have powerful neuts in them? I was under the impression that the Bastion module would not immune the marauder to cap warfare. Was I wrong?

So let's see...Marauders lose their 90% web bonus.
Now people scream this makes the Vindicator's 90% bonus OP compared to other BS's.
So that goes next.

But wait, what about the cruiser based Vindicator: the Vigilant. For the sake of fairness, it must go to.
While were at it, how can anyone fight a Daredevil that has a 90% web. Bye bye.

So now a slow moving cruiser and frigate (Daredevil is not that slow, but not fast enough when this webifer bonus is removed), that have to be close to their targets to do damage, are rendered useless.

Idiocy, pure idiocy.
Instead of giving MORE ships the 90% bonus, the null sec game designers are doing the opposite.

The Paladin has 12,500 base capacitor and 89+20km range with Scorch and 3 range mods. DPS tanking the energy neut sentries is trivial, since you are immune to tracking disruptiors.

I think you missed the point, which is that out of 97 pages of feedback - only one really minor change to the skill has been implemented (and not the one that was in fact suggested by players). It just seems like feedback is more of a placebo for players than anything else.

That's not a half bad idea (and it wouldn't break my heart to see the tractor bonus go the way of the dodo).