Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yup, don't get it CCP. Thank you for acknowledging my earlier proposition but for god’s sake what is up with those resists? EM and Thermal lowest for Paladin? Explo and Kin for Vargur? That’s hilarious. Seems Kronos and Golem are fine. I know that stat line is standard for T2 Amarr and Minmatar ships, but if they are still mainly PvE ships match their strongest resists to their racial NPS rat types!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I kind of feel like marauders are being pushed into so many different directions here to try to fill roles that either other ships fill better, or don't really exist in the first place. I know CCP is trying, but it all seems so screwed up right now.

Instead of concentrating so hard on making marauders wildly different from pirate battleships and other parts of the ship line-up why don't they follow the rest of the t2 lineup, and make what changes are needed to keep them on course.

For instance, to separate them from pirate battleships look at what pirate battleships do well. All of the pirate ships have great dps, most are fairly fast (with the machariel being very fast) and three of them have fantastic ewar bonuses. Why not keep this to pirate battleships? If they need to be reworked a little then do so during the pirate rebalance, but keep things like 90% webs, web range, a neuts to pirate battleships.

Whats left over now for marauders? Well why not follow the assault ship/command ship lineup. Keep the marauder's dps about the same, but emphasize their tank and application, but do so without utterly pidgeonholeing the class. Get rid of all of all of the ewar bonuses. ALL of them. No bonus to webs, none to target painters. Just drop them. If we want them, we'll fit them, just don't make us feel like we have to in order to optimize the ship. When you think about ship bonuses realize that people are going to use long and short range weapons on the ship. Keep this in mind. A web bonus is less of a help to people using long range weapons than it is to someone who uses short range ones.

Here's a sample of something that makes sense.

GOLEM

• Role Bonus: 100% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo damage. 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay. Can fit Bastion modules.

• Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity
5% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity per level

• Marauders Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to the cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity per level
4% bonus to shield resistances per level


• Slot layout: 6H, 7M, 5L; 0 turrets, 4 launchers
• Fittings: 8500 PWG, 715 CPU
• Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8000 / 6100 / 7000
• Shield resists: 0% EM / 50% EX / 70% KIN / 80% THERM
• Armor resists: 50% EM / 10% EX / 62.5% KIN / 86.25% THERM
• Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6325 / 1150s / 5.5 cap/s
• Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 85 m/s / .12 / 114195000 / 19s
• Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 50
• Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 95km / 105 / 10
• Sensor strength: 28 Gravimetric
• Signature radius: 450

And a bastion module that makes sense. Its pretty powerful, but again, its balanced against the fact that you COMMIT. No logi, can't move, can still be neuted, and anyone can run away from you.

BASTION MODULE

• Increases shield and armor repair amount by 25%
• Increases shield, armor and hull by 25%
• Extends all large turret falloff and optimal by 25%
• Increases all large missile max velocity by 25%
• Increases damage from large missiles and turrets by 25%
• When activated, the bastion module repairs the marauder for 25% of its maximum capacitor, armor, shield, and hull hp.
• Has a cycle time of 60 seconds.
• When in bastion mode, Marauder is immune to EW but cannot be remote assisted in any way
• When in bastion mode, Marauder speed is set to 0 m/s, mass is increased by a factor of 10, cannot warp. Also

When its activated, we're parked. We commit. When we turn this thing on its either win or die, so it better be worth it.

Its useful with the bastion module. Its useful without it. It has enough slots to make good fitting choices. It can be buffer tanked or active tanked. It has good application, which can be made better with TPs or webs, but it doesn't NEED to fit them.

"Order, counter-order, disorder" Napoleon

Looks like there are 2 camps here more or less.

The first one seems to be players who have trained and actively fly marauders. They have been asking for minor buffs for 5 years. But mostly want to keep the game play style more or less the same. It is a long train to fly these ships the way they want to.

The 2nd is people that like the new ideas of a micro jumpy/mini-dred and the new game play and tactics, fleet doctrine, solo, small gang, pvp and pve options it might bring.

These 2 camps will never reconcile with each other. I believe EVE is big enough for both.

Re-balance the marauders from the base in game now stats and for example: T2 resists (it is a T2 ship), more sensor strength equal to T1 BSs 21-22, and possibly more drone bandwidth & bay. Have the 4 high slots and noctis like bonuses
for them. This IMHO would not be OP and or change much just be a little better at what it already is good at. The expense alone will keep them in check.

Now the new micro jumping bastion ship at lest for the Amarr use the Abaddon model as the Amarr dred is the same art style have the animations of siege modes match would be cool. Use the 1st bastion iteration stats with what ever hull stats you care to try. Make a NEW ship for eve for a new style of play.

Win win for every body. Unless some of the fun goes away when some people are not having what they like taken away for the enjoyment of those who will probably never even train for the changes they are championing.

Maybe because both Paladin and Vargur are natural omni tankers? Which means that no matter what rats you fight you can easily tank against them. None of filling this explosive hole on Kronos and EM on Golem.