Science & Industry

This changes create a major problem for me. It's going to make "risky mining" (aka mining outside of highsec) a sovereignty nullsec only thing, while some NPC regions are harder to live in and should really be viable for mining too.

I'm especially thinking about remote areas in outer ring, since ORE settled the region (but it could apply to other npc regions with vast empty chunks of space without stations, like great wildlands), it should be a dream place for miners. But in fact, it's not, outside of one or two systems, because you can't put upgrades, so you have to chase for ore sites around a lot more. And now, when you'll get them, they won't even be as good. Having to move towards the ore sites seems fair for npc nullsec, but having them being worse AND rarer than in any upgraded nullsec, while being in very hard to live regions (outer ring has only two stations with decent station services, and you can find yourself being very far away from them, plus anyone can deploy in those, so you most likely live in a pos).

So yeah, if you could at least consider buffing ore spawning (sites, belts, whatever) in those regions to give them a reason to be there (there is none right now, unless you just want the position of the stations, the vast empty space around is pretty useless). It seems fitting for me that empty, uninhabited space would have large stocks of unexploited ore. Especially since it attracted ORE themselves.

Mining in dangerous places should not be a sov only option, it's already safer in sov nullsec (because you own the place, and because you don't have to move around if you don't want to), and already gives more money (you don't have to worry about finding sites, so more time to mine).

This is all fine and dandy but does nothing to promote industry in null you will still have to import mex as before. anyone actually trying to mine for isk/hr is a fool. the money in null mining is for production.

NO, it is much much worse now, you can't import just Mex, except raw, and well, that is about batshit stupid. You are better off not mining at all and just importing from high sec. less wastage and the same amount of work.




One area of space does control the Mex - High sec

There might be more mined in nullsec overall, but making big ships requires a lot more than we can realistically mine, so it HAS to come from high sec.


Listen, I don't care if you make all the belt more or less isk/hr or make them bigger or smaller, just PLEASE balance them. But, do remember Nullsec does supply all of the Mega/Morphite in the game, as well as the majority of Nocx and iso. So, when I sat balance, I mainly mean Trit/Pye/Mex


Feel free to use that spreadsheet as a guide, it is spot on and tells the whole story and how much we have to mine just to get the Mex required.




There is another way: and I am spitballing here.....reduce Mex usage in building LOL - hehe - OK, back to work, funs over

You need to go re read the original posts for Odyssey, and then take the OP of this thread in context. CCP are trying to make one area not dependent on others etc for industry and mining. Mega/Morphite are the obvious exceptions. They are also trying to semi stop the practice of buying all mins in Jita and compressing just to jump to nullsec and reprocess. I have built several Aeons and other stuff, just importing 6 JF full of Raw Mex. If that is how they want it, fine, but somehow I don't think so.
We are trying to help them get there.

If you have nothing to contribute to this effort ---> Door is that way

Thanks

Hmm, sorry, was my /sarcasm not enough for you to pick up on??

BTW: Since Jan Trit, Pyerite and Mex have all lost about 40% of their value.

"...........we're also not committed to the idea that any one area of space needs to be completely independent from others."
CCP Fozzie.
" CCP are trying to make one area not dependent on others etc for industry and mining. Mega/Morphite are the obvious exceptions." Johanna Outeston.
"High sec is certainly dependent on nullsec for mega/morphite and nocx/Iso to a lesser extent." Johanna Outeston.
"But, do remember Nullsec does supply al of the Mega/Morphite in the game, as well as the majority of Nox and iso." Johanna Outeston.

You need to read what Fozzie just wrote Johanna. CCP are not looking to make nullsec independent from other areas in New Eden. We have Jump Freighters and Freighters for a reason - to enable trade.

"One area of space does control the Mex -High sec." Johanna Outeston.

High sec doesn't 'control' or have sole access to Mexallon unlike nullsec which you have pointed out yourself many times.

".......you can't import just mex, except raw, and well, that is about batshit stupid." Johanna Outeston.

I don't understand why you can't import raw Mexallon. Minerals are transported around high sec all the time. You just bring out any excess tritanium or other minerals etc you wish to, buy Mexallon in high sec. then transport it back to nullsec. There has been so much whinging for ages about nullsec not having enough tritanium and now you have more you don't want it.

" It's going to make "risky mining" (aka mining outside of highsec) a sovreignty nullsec only thing,while some NPC regions are harder to live in and should really be viable for mining too." Deirdre Anethoel.

Everyone knows the majority of mining in nullsec is conducted deep in 'blue' as it's just not worth the bother otherwise. Ideally CCP needs to introduce some kind of 'mid-ground', maybe with environmental effects and other restrictions, to wean more pilots and small corporations into dipping their toes into nullsec. This idea was mooted by CCP around the time that ring mining and modular POSes were talked about but it has sunk without trace since. Probably due to influence of nullsec monopolies and their control over the CSM.

OK, I had a hard time following the other parts of your post due to :Wall of test: so i will answer what i sure is your response

OK, assuming you build a Nyx, you need roughly 87mil Mex - if you mine the rest of the minerals in a semi normal manner you will end with the rest of the minerals but have about 20-25mil Mex, so you can go to Jita and buy 65 mil mex and use 2-3 JF and jump them to where you are building your Nyx. This will cost roughly 100-200mil in jump fuel on average, maybe a bit more if you are isolated. That all comes out of your profit. Not terrible but doable

NOW, Build an Avatar, you need 330mil Mex, assuming the same scenarion and you mine, you will end up with roughly 100mil Mex, so you have to go to Jita and but 230mil Mex and JF it out. That will be 8-9 JF loads and an additional cost of about a Billion ISK, plus a crap ton of time.

Now, do this 2-3 times a month and you will understand how stupid this is.

Now, old method was go to jita and buy ALL materials required to build and compress to 425 rail guns, ammo and other things.
You can fit an ENTIRE Nyx into 1.5 Jf and an ENTIRE Avatar into 7.3 JF, but under the new method it takes 8-9 JF load of raw mex to suppplement what you mine in Nullsec.

So, basically mining the minerals in null sec now requires MORE JF runs just for raw Mex than it did before for all the minerals combined in compressed form.

To the ones crying about not enough mex, you need to stop.

You cried about trit and u got more.

Null sec are the only ones to get mega/morphite so your already ahead by 2,

now on top of the trit/mega/morphite.

You want more mex. This smacks of a baby throwing a tantrum because they want candy and can't have it because they have had their cake and pie and got to eat it.

To the ones screaming about how much more cost / effort it is to import mex wake up just add it to your prices as costs and if people don't want to pay it thats there problem they clearly don't want the ship bad enough.

And as I see Alot of goons crying I'm guessing its because there tech took a leap off a cliff and they need something else to screw the market with.

Hey guys, wanted to let you all know that for the first day or so after 1.1 releases there may be some odd behavior with the ore upgrade amoms (most common symptom is both the old and new types of belts appearing in the system at the same time). This should go away in a few days at most, and should in almost all cases be gone by the second downtime after the patch.

This might be completely stupid as I have no experience with this, but why not mine until you have enough Mex to build whatever it is you want to build and then JF the excess other mineral types to high sec to sell?