Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ions at that range? 1.9 +7.5km with antimatter is perfetct range for a brawl at 500 tpye of cruiser.

It also is shared by all blaster ships. And that argument is completely irrelevant, it doesnt matter that you can counter a brawler, if that brawler is op compared to other brawlers its op, not fine.

If there is a best one it is beeing done wrong that is the very meaning of op, also asb brawlers suck, you have to take the eft value and divide it through 2-4 so you get the actual tanking value (you only have 1 booster running at a time, so half it and most asbs dont run for very lomg only 36 seconds for a large one for example while the reload is 60 secs so to get the sustained number you need to nearly half it yet again), a deimos does as said 500+ dps and tanks 1k dps has full tackle, a dual asb eagle tanks 550dps sustained and deals less then 500dps.

If you think any sort of asb tank bar on a vaga is op you are beeing delusional.


You argument basicely is, yes it will be op but thats ok.

ok, and where is the actual boosting?

This guy gets it.

Eagle is not fine. It needs a signature reduction and speed increase to be anywhere near a viable fleet ship. Otherwise, HAC fleets will remain zealot only, as it is the only ship that performs at the ranges, damages, and sig to speed ratios necessary to compete with attack battlecruisers. I am not arguing for it to become a solo/small gang boat (though I'm certain you could try to make it so), but if it is to show up in any doctrine ships in the future, it needs a base signature of 125, and base speed of 200 m/s.

You have stated, Rise, that you intend the eagle to be a fleet ship. Please alter its stats so that it can effectively do so. Thank you.

I feel like a broken record, but clearly it has to be repeated if the devs are going to see it.

It needs a better speed to signature ratio if it's going to beat an ABC fleet in equal numbers. It doesn't have the range to just snipe said fleet, as they are using battleship weapons. The current sig radius doesn't look that bad, but consider that after fittings, it's going to have 190m from a dual LSE (as seems to be the point of another mid and additional PG) before factoring in the effect of shield rigs. If kept to single LSE, that starts you at 165m before rigs. With an afterburner active, you are still slower than the 1600mm plated HACs.

It will never be able to fight a zealot fleet on equal terms, so the speed/sig ratio isn't going to affect that. Eagle fleet takes range or dies, because the zealot fleet enjoys the benefits of short range tracking. I'm not asking it to beat the zealot on equal terms. That fight is going to come down to which fleet has the better commander and/or interdictor pilots.

However, when Rise says he wants the eagle to be a "fleet ship", I have to assume that we're not talking about blasters here. It's going to need to take lesser damage from battleship class weapons. If it doesn't get that boost, it will never* make it into a large fleet.

* Unless Black Legion takes that as a challenge and starts kicking everybody's butts with eagles instead of muninns.

EDIT: Pound for pound is probably a bad analogy when discussing a cruiser fighting a battlecruiser.

To add my two cents to your comment and my other comments I think that the problem with SAC (and our discussion on slot layout) derives from the fact that we do see a clear role for SAC. Its current version is more geared towards solo or small gang pvp. In this case a 4th mid slot is essential, and the utility hi slot is also good. For normal gangs (10+) those slots are useless however. Sac is there to gank and tank and only this ration matters. Also it doesn’t need cap injections so no 4th mid slot - it will be buffer tank (also sorry guys for criticizing you earlier for cap booster use - I had buffer tank only Sac picture in my head :)).

So it is a job for CCP to give it a well-defined role (and in current state it doesn’t have it). In my opinion it should be a fleet ship as amarr are generally not good solo (they are too slow for that), although Sac was a notable exception. I see it as a close range heavy brawler that has less dps than Deimos but much more tank. So again - remove either hi or mid slot and add 6th low.

CCP pls don’t make it the jack of all trades ship - it’s against your own philosophy to specialize t2 ships.

with skills its quite a bit though i would have hoped for about 10 pg more

what about a supplementation for ABC-sniper fleets (as you seem very focussed on them?)
eagle should easily achieve similar ranges, at which it actually won't need much tracking. compared to its ABC-brethren it has additionally a smaller signature resolution, so way better dmg-application at range.
it could easily pick frigs apart who try to burn to your fleet in order to get a warp-in.
from the looks of it, the eagle could be a better supplement to naga fleets then the muninn is right now.

when compare the eagle to the zealot, you kind of have to consider, that the eagle is already more agile than zealot before tank. with tank this can only get more pronounced and complaning, that a caldari ship isn't made for signature tanking is just hilarious :)

Get out, you have nothing to say in a balancing thread, and with that attitude nothing you say should be taken seriously.