Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i do admit they are used. but as heavy tackle not as e-war platforms.

might aswell just get rid of the e-war aspect and make them heavy interceptors then.

SACRILEGE

We wanted to get rid of the cap recharge bonus, as it is both kind of dated and strange, and also doesn't do much for a ship that doesn't even use cap for its main weapon system. We played with a lot of options but ultimately settled on a Missile Velocity bonus which should be very helpful in projecting some of that HAM damage. Other changes include tweaks to fitting, slightly lowered Signature radius, and of course the electronics changes. While we did not role the entire benefit of the former cap recharge bonus into the base stats, the Sacrilege does retain the highest cap/second of any Heavy Assault Cruisers. Also we are removing the missile rate of fire bonus and adding a 6th turret slot and replacing the bonus with a reduction in explosion velocity for missiles.

Note: we are replacing the mwd bonus to a heat reduction bonus
Role Bonus: 37.5% reduction in Heat Damage to Modules

Amarr Cruiser Bonuses:
5% to Heavy Assault and Heavy Missile damage (added heavy missiles)
4% to all Armor Resistances

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile velocity (was capacitor recharge time)
7.5% reduction in Heavy Missile and Heavy Assaul Missile Explosion Velocity.

Slot layout: 6H, 4M, 5L; 1 turrets(-3), 6 launchers
Fittings: 1200 PWG(+170), 500 CPU(+100)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1200(-193) / 2100(+12) / 1690(+2)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 1700(+75) / 255s (-80s) / 6.66s (+1.8)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 200(+2) / .567 / 11750000(-540000) / 9.24s(-.4)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+35) / 50(+35)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 70km(+20km) / 312 / 7
Sensor strength: 22 Radar(+7)
Signature radius: 135(-5)

I'm sure the Vaga is the second most used HAC in the game atm because of it's terrible dps.

It's too bad that CCP probably won't deign to fix the Deimos. The vagabond gets the velocity bonus baked in but the deimos won't get the cap bonus? Ridiculous. I was hoping to actually fly one after it got buffed.

I was hoping to fly an blaster eagle but alas ....

well maybe ... but being slower and doing diddly squat damage won't be worth the bother either way.

It might be more of a comment about the other hacs than it is about the vagabond.

BTW: where do you get that statistic?

Rise just quoted it somewhere in here. Use dev post finder.

the vaga is fine with these changes. minmatar ships have the best damage projection of any ship in the game. The reality is that teh vaga applies its dps almost perfectly, compared to a missile or blaster boat, which might do MORE damage on paper, but less actual damage.

Thanks. That posts suggests that the vaga is used about as much as the omen in pvp. I knew the vaga wasn't used often but I didn't think it was that bad.

Your problem is that you consider ABC and CBC as one single ship. HAC have double the ehp of ABC, or a lot more speed than CBC, but CBC are still a lot slower than HAC, and ABC are still a lot less resilient than HAC (and a lot more vulnerable to frigates in general).

That being said, now compare AF to destroyers : they have similar firepower and tank, and more speed, on top of more resistances and less signature, and of course this MWD sig bonus.

You see : it's the same. HAC relate to BC in the same way AF relate to destroyers. The difference might only lie in the meta : BS are a lot less common than cruisers, hence destroyers are a lot more endangered by their natural predators (cruisers) than BC are endangered (only common predator of BC is blob). The second thing is the price barrier : price of an AF is fairly cheap for most standard whereas price of HAC is rather high for most. Yet, if you look at the graph CCP Rise showed, the MWD bonus will make them a lot more resistant to ABC, potentialy allowing HAC to counter ABC.

I don't see many predators to these HAC in fact, exactly like AF.

And the problem I forgot : T3 cruisers which actually render them redundant despite the price difference. Good news though : they are tackled by the nerfbat.