Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I miss LR HACs.

Is there any chance that something could be done to bring them back?

[edit] this was about he vagabond.



and nealy nothing of those dps applys at its fiting range (kiete) when useing that ammo.

Two Huginns will make tracking and gun sig insignificant. And most(read as "all not insane") long range fleets will have at least two.

I would just like the Deimos to follow the Gallente combat doctrine. We have the Thorax, a close range high damage brawler. The Exequror Navy Issue, a close range high damage brawler. Then there is the Deimos a mid range kitting ship?

I have to agree on that the Sac or [this is my own opinion] any Hac should not have a utility high. The Sac's utility high should go to it's Low slot giving it 6. 5 is to low for this armor tanker. The Vega & Muninn utility high should go to there mid slots. Yes a Vega with 5/5/5 + the shield boots buff = better then Cynabal. No one armor tanks Muninn and a extra mid would be grateful.

Agreed. People do like progression paths, so knowing that you get to work towards something better than what you have while performing the same (or similar) role is nice to have as well. The Basilisk is a direct upgrade over the Osprey, for example, so why shouldn't there exist others?

The T1 cruisers have nice stats, especially now. The T2 cruisers should have better stats, because of a higher skill requirement and higher cost. And that's fine.

This post is more interesting than most : role of HAC is the corner point of the debate in fact (except for some insane people who want their HAC to be powerhouse in the fashion of T3 when these are due for a nerf).

CCP Rise said that they want HAC to have a similar place than AF but at their cruiser scale. So first, let's see what is the place of AF : AF have around destroyer firepower and tank (some have more, some have less, but the average should be close), but with T2 resist, a bit more speed yet a lot less than frigates, and this MWD bonus.

Most people will agree that AF are rather well balanced because they are more survivable than destroyers grace to their resist, sig and speed but don't obsolete frigate because of their so much lower speed. Faction frigate clearly are frigates whereas AF have more in common with destroyers in fact.

What to do with cruisers then ? The problem with cruisers is that they are much more diverse than frigates in some ways : their speed goes from frigate like (hello Stabber and ScFI) to BC like (hello Maller), and their dps do the same (from the Stabber to the Navy Exequror, more or less).

With all this in mind, let's look at these future HAC : their speed is between combat and attack cruisers, way above CBC, and around ABC. Their tank is between combat cruisers and combat BC, and now their electronic and capacitor is better than CBC. So what to expect ? On the survivability level, I think there's no reason not to suppose they will fare as well under medium to large weapon fire than AF fare under small to medium weapon fire. If any, a little more hp would bring them where they need to be, but we should remember that they are a lot faster than BC than AF are faster than destroyers. For firepower, their gun size and dps will allow them to shoot everything from their size and above.

And finaly, like AF are able to take on any T1 or faction frigate and destroyer, I don't see any of these HAC incapable of taking on any T1 or faction cruiser or battlecruiser.

To simplify, like AF are destroyers without the vulnerability to cruisers, HAC are BC without the vulnerability to BS.

To be clear, I think these HAC are heavy cruisers, and their MWD bonus will allow them to be particularly effective against targets with larger guns. Pretty much what AHAC already do, but they will now be able to do it with a MWD. Their resistances make them particularly good with logi support ; their signature make them resilient to large gun ; and their firepower and tank make them good for cruiser defense ; like AF make good fleet escort against frigates, these HAC will be good fleet escort against cruisers IMO. That only generalities of course, but can we do more ? And if people are unable to see a use for high resistances and reduced signature, there's nothing to do to help them...

Except not all of us are still running incursions in 5b Nightmares

That just proves that the only people who would fly these "buffed" HACs are the stupid and the stupidly rich.

Telling you that you are wrong isn't an insult.

Calm down, your rage is irritating.

3 hours in an anom or level 4 mission then.