Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are perfectly correct!

The vaga is supposed to do lower dps at a longer range, and the Deimos is supposed to do more dps at shorter range. The vaga should have more speed, and the Deimos more tank.

So what are you arguing about again?

With these changes to Vagabond chances are Cynabals are going to get their ass kick hard, maybe not 220's Cynas dual prop but 425's and arty ones will get close to extinction, plus a simple nano and mwd +OGB+combat booster and eventual hyperlink your vaga will not only catch zdat cynabal but will tank about double physical EHP dmg while having T2 resist profile.

If something Cynabal will need afterwards is certainly not speed nerf but agility one, just like Machariel. After their eventual agility nerf they'll be fine.

Vaga with that rep bonus will be a fantastic solo/small gang ship, if some people can't see the potential in it they're wrong. Ok arties on it will be more than a tricky stuff to do but I'm certain this ship soon enough will be called out by many for nerfs, time will prove who's right.

Deimos might become a good sniper hac but tracking on rails is being reduced for the same amount of buff it was given at first changes.
Now we'll get same rails every one was complaining for years with more dps and still unable to track decently unless you fit 75mm

Imho the list of most underwhelming ship changes factored SR&LR weapons and considering the amount of buff for each ship is proportional due to being uniform, are:

Eagle: to much optimal range bonus not enough dps bonus, lower speed is the trade off for much higher resists

Munin: I still think this ship is a pure beast as brawler with 425's but everyone uses it with arties, ok with new arties and changes will be a very good sniper but lacks some fittings imho

Sacrilege: change 5% missile dmg to 7.5% and change 10% missile velocity to 7.5%, indeed with only 2 rigs those are going right to the bait tank and with only 6 lows means 1 dcu+ 2 hardeners+ 1 EANP or RAH he's left with 2 BCU's or 1 BCU and 1 plate.
A single BCU is not enough to push a bit its dps at fleet/gang levels, ok it has a nasty tank but no need to push HAMs at 30km, if they go at 25 it's ok but let them hit a bit harder (2.5% on top of 5% it's not a huge dps buff)

Deimos: mwd cap bonus needs to be swap with tracking one, make it 5% instead of 7.5% or even 4% instead and include mwd bonus in to the hull but that mwd bonus needs to go away and for rails to be effective on it it needs to have something to catch those 15% tracking nerf or it will be terrible at sniping and horrible at brawling, and I'm not talking about paper/eft dps but really applied one.

Back before BC rebalance, the Hurricane did (and still does) about 100 dps at 25km, and everyone regarded the Hurricane as the one and only skirmish battlecruiser. With 425mm Autos and Barrage, it does 223 dps at 25km with dual gyro dual TE.

So tell me why a Vaga with dual gyro dual TE using 220mm Autos with Barrage, dealing 239 dps at 25km, flying more than twice as fast as the Hurricane, with less than a third signature radius, is bad.

Because the guy is bad, not the ship. He wants a ship zip zapping all around at 10k speed doing 500dps at 30km and a new bonus to webs and points on it for 35km each.

You're wasting your time trying to explain the obvious.

It's also a cruiser.....

Price is never a balancing factor.

See titan blobs.

RANGE CONTROL doesn't mean you're playing wow nightelfe hunter in Eve. Vagabond goes way faster than any other HAC in the game and can perfectly control/mitigate incoming dmg with this specific advantage that is probably the strongest attribute for solo/gang pvp, the reason why cynabals are so good is not really the amount od dps they can push but the ability to dictate range and mitigate incoming dps (dual prop, large ASB)

In a fleet, the Sac right now can get over 60k EHP while sporting two BCUs, which is quite nice. While very thankful for the bonus change from cap to something useful, I was sort of hoping for a bit of a dps increase to avoid being completely out-stripped by the Cerberus; it already comes in second place to the Cerberus, which is getting a dps buff. However, increased range is also nice.

On the other hand, I'm very happy with the Cerberus changes :)

The cerb has been terrible for so long, that anything other than its current state people are happy with.


I wish It would get a 25m3 drone bay and/or a 10% damage bonus to all missile types.

Then it would be good.

If something costs 150m and sucks, nobody will fly it. The idea behind the rebalancing is to get these ships to flyable condition. So either buff it more, or lower the build cost, or nobody will fly it.