Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP does not want to change the HACs the proper way, because they will become direct substitute to the T1 BCs.

They might not reach to the level of the Tier3 once, but they should be equal to the Tier 2 once in dps and tank.

How ever this will mean.. noone will fly that shiny new NAVY BCs ....
News flash! I wont pay 180 mil isk for t1/ Navy ship that is not at-least equal to the Tier 3 BCs.

I guess CCP does not think, that ISK value might be a balancing factor.
By look of it the Skill Points value does not appear to be a balancing factor also.

Lets list what will HAC specific bonuses will give us:





Sacrilege:
10% bonus to Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile velocity (was capacitor recharge time)
5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire

Zealot:
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret optimal range
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage

CERBERUS:

10% bonus to Missile flight time
5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire

EAGLE:
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret optimal range
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage

DEIMOS
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff
5% Medium Hybrid Turret damage

ISHTAR
5 km bonus to Drone operation range per level
7.5% bonus to Sentry Drone optimal range and tracking speed(was bonus to drone bay capacity)[/quote]

VAGABOND
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret falloff
5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage

MUNINN
10% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret optimal range
7.5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret tracking speed


So in theory all hacs, should have more range and dmg + 50% mwd bonus + ECCM and Cap bonus.
That sounds like:
+25% more DMG
+25% more range
+harder to jamm
+ more tank
+ better cap
All this for the just 150 mil isk (130 mil more then the T1 variant!)

Perfect I am sold ! .... Well hold just a bit! CCP have changed the T1 cruisers
So lets look at some numbers:

Omen: Lazors + drones = 646 dps
Zealot : Lazors (no drones) = 639 dps
Where are my 25% more dmg ?


Thorax: 5x 250mm Rails T2 + 5x Hammer T2 = 515 dps (0.0492 tracking / 21,5km + 21.1km)
Deimos: 5x 250mm Rails T2 + 5x Hammer t2 = 604 dps (0.0358 tracking / 21.5 + 31.7 km )
*Note i have not included medium rails nurf in those calculations ...

Thorax speed : 2000 m/s
Deimos speed: 1500 m/s

The DMG diff is 17% not 25%
The tracking diff is huge means dmg projection is much better on the T1 variant.
Range: we gain 10 km falloff yuppy

So Where is my 25% dmg ?

I am sure you can go eft each one and compare it to the T1 variant.
Or you can DELETE EFT
Copy the T1 Crusers base and give us the fallowing:

I'm happy about Ishtar changes and replacing the cap recharge bonus on Sacrilege with more useful missile velocity bonus also seems good (although an explosion velocity bonus would work equally well), but I'm not happy with Eagle and Deimos.

Eagle still has duplicate optimal bonus meaning it will still do mediocre damage at extreme ranges and therefore it will still remain as the worst HAC. I would replace the second optimal range bonus with rate of fire bonus, or replace both bonuses from HAC skill with a single 10% bonus to damage.

Deimos still has two bonuses of questionable usefulness, falloff bonus is almost entirely useless on Rails and on Blasters it's useful only in combination with Null ammo. But hey, props to CCP for not putting falloff bonuses on Laser boats as that would be some serious trolling (as opposed to only mild trolling done by putting them on Gallente boats). Give us tracking bonus FFS! And I'm sure there are viable alternatives to capacitor bonus, like reduced MWD capacitor use or bonus to speed or agility (actually, armour hitpoints bonus on a ship nicknamed "Diemost" would probably be the most appropriate).

And I've seen ASB Vagabond before so I think having only 4 midslot will not be a hindrance (unless you want to go dual ASB), mainly due to balanced T2 Minmatar shield resists.

The 50 mill will give you:

cap stability

more tank vs racial dps in the form of resistances

better projection

much lower sig radius when mwd'ing

more drone dps

[*] 450 / 1315,5 vs 425 / 1037,5 CPU/PG

PLease tell me more about how other players have an advantage over you because they might bring friends to a fight that you did not.

Why don't you add to the discussion instead of trying to go ad hominem?

and if i put a nano on the EVI it does 3320 overheated. so you still catch won't me. Also most Shield Cruisers are using Nanos so you still will have trouble catching them as they too will go over 3.2 k overheated. and without the Web on your ship you have no way of slowing them down and they web you and coast out of you range hold you at 10k turn their MWB back on and you still missed out on killing them or you lost 172mil isk Ship to a faction cruiser....SO WINNING :)

Also my comparison is a troll...but now that I have had to say it, it feels cheap.

These new changes seem a bit more reasonable but i think the Ishtar needs a bit more work.

Maybe CCP want to force the ishtar into a shield role but i'd prefer it to be an armour tanker just like all the other Gallente ships. For that to happen, it need drone damage and hitpoint bonuses not tracking. The pilot can then use its low slots for tank and its med slots for drone tracking/range/speed.

Also has anyone calculated how OP the sacrilege will be now?

While the 250mm Deimos is better than a 250mm Rax, I still think that it going to have trouble applying DPS, that is the major issue for it. I think a tracking bonus or an Opt Range bonus would do more it and at least give it a place to compete with other HACs.

But does it project better EVI. I don't that this does, which still stands that some of the Navy Ships are better HACs than the HACs.

But you do put up a good point, when are these ships going to be on SiSi.

I'm assuming you are talking about the NEX(Navy EXequror)? Or is EVI something else?

The NEX is better in some areas, the Deimos is better in a whole lot of other areas which I just pointed out.