Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Love how Rise has ignored the rage after the first three pages where players start to come to terms with the utter lack of actual fixes. I'm sure this itteration will be ignored for 4 weeks and then addressed as, "we're out of time, we'll launch with this and monitor."

You were given specialized roles by multiple players that actually made these ships intersting. If you don't like my proposal in the last thread, fine... but for god sake, how about you take one of the other proposals and actually run with something good rather than continue down this line of crap.

Simple fact, the EWAR resistance boost you gave these ships means absolutely **** all in the current game climate. The sensor damps, jammers, and TD will be hardly phased by this pathetic attempt.

The ships should be highly defensive either through range or tank... right now they are neither.

For the cost, most people would rather use T1 options, or Tech 3 because of the insanely skewed stats in favor of their cost. Nobody wants some **** middle ground.



Define HAC's with an actual role. Fix the ones that need to be fixed, and stop making retardedly OP drone boats.

Don't be assholes guys. They're clearly trying to iterate towards a solution that works for as many people as possible. No balance pass is going to make everyone happy.

That being said, there are a lot of improvements that could be made to this current iteration. The Sac changes proposed by Sarkelias come to mind. The weird bonuses on the Ishtar as well. The sig explosions from T1 to T2, specifically on the Deimos but on other HACs as well just don't make sense. The Eagle is still a red-headed step child. It's not fast enough to kite (and its damage is aneimic), its sig + shield tanking reduce the effectiveness as an up close brawler.

Good steps, but at least another iteration to go still.

Deimos MWD capacitor penalty amount bonus is broken in many ways and should be replaced with tracking speed bonus:

1. The MWD bonus is more useless now than any point in EVE history. First came the long ago nano nerf, and all MWD have the same speed, and now the difference between them is cap penalty. To mitigate cap penalty just use different meta levels.

2. Cap Recharge increase to Deimos makes MWD cap penalty even less relevant.

3. Cap usage of hybrids was reduced, making MWD cap penalty less important.

4. Role bonus of sig bloom. This bonus makes the Deimos the ONLY HAC that will be ignoring TWO bonuses by fitting an afterburner. If you fit an AB on the Deimos, not only are you losing out on the sig bloom bonus, but you actually have a SMALLER capacitor amount than if you had an MWD. This is coercive to players, and takes away the ability for us to choose different fittings.

5. Most pvp fits will have a cap injector, especially now that it is going to have 4 mids. Cap injectors are the best way to deal with energy neutralizers which are everywhere lately, particularly on the new prophecies and armageddons. Having a cap injector makes the mwd cap bonus irrelevant.

Please give the Deimos the tracking bonus that was given to the thorax for all of these reasons. I have the skills to use any HAC near perfectly. I haven't touched the Deimos in years and the ship is a joke, and after all the other HACs are made even stronger it will be even funnier.

It just isn't fair to practically FORCE Deimos pilots to fit a MWD with not just the role bonus, but the MWD cap bonus too. The role bonus is less frustrating because you don't train for it unlike a cruiser or HAC skill.

Was wondering when you would show up

CCP Rise:
There was a lot of talk about rebalancing the cost of HACs so maybe they aren't 10-15+ times the cost of their T1 variant.

In Jita:
Caracal: 10.3 mil
Drake: 44.4 mil
Naga: 62.3 mil
Cerb: 187.8 mil (usually around 160 mil though)
Raven: 164.9 mil

Even at 160 mil for a Cerb it appears to be an outlier in price. Any thoughts on the matter?

And while we are talking about cost of T2 ships any thoughts on making T2/T3/Pirate insurance not terrible?

I think the only way you are going to solve this problem is to define these ships similarly to Heavy Interdictors. Add a module that removes Remote repairing ability in place of more defensible statistics such as AB speed and active tanking modules for a reasonable duration (~1-2 minutes). It lets players define what they want... more speed and self reliant tank, or lower speed, and more reliance on group warfare.

Or, make them Immune to interdiction bubbles.

Either of those cases makes these ships better without even needing to change any stats other than the horrid MWD role bonus.

Yea, damage is also a role. And HACs have worse damage AND worse EHP than BCs.

Wtf? You have played eve before yes?

Yes and even with a tracking bonus the ship still derps and is melted into Ashe at point blank range.

The ship doesn't need to be navyfied (tracking bonus). It needs to survive (a tank of some way, shape or form).

Well considering medium Railguns are about to do near blaster level dps (******* fail ccp), I'd just fit those and kite at 30km...

Blaster Deimos will be just about as bad after the patch as it is now.