Player Features and Ideas Discussion

this is teh deimos i would like to see:

DEIMOS


Role Bonus: 50% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty

Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
5% increase to MicroWarpdrive capacitor bonus and decrease MicroWarpdrive cap activation cost

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
15% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff
7.5% Medium Hybrid Turret rate of fire

Slot layout: 5H(-1), 4M(+1), 6L; 4(-1) turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 1150 PWG(+160), 360 CPU(+10)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1350(+190) / 1750(-290) / 2000(-531)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 1400(+25) / 255s (-80s) / 5.5/s (+1.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 230(+22) / .475(-.055) / 11460000 / 7.54s(-.875)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 75 (+25m3)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 85km(+20km) / 270 / 6
Sensor strength: 22 Magnetometric(+7)
Signature radius: 150(-10)

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This would fix the diemos not make it op and actually make the falloff bonus usefull.

Minus the deimos having horrible speed, agree 100% Deimos / vaga / ishtar are just so far beyond the other HAC's atm.

why 7.5% to rate of fire makes up for the turret loss and damage bonus. so one less turret means less cap used to fire guns. and gives the ship its utility slot back.

My problem with hacs is the same. I want a role for these ships, and these changes still fail to give them that. What were these ships meant to do, what exactly are they specialized at? Thats a question that needs to be answered before they are fine tuned to be good at it. The changes for now are only coming from the approach of slap some more stats on them until they become desirable to fly. Unfortunately, I think changes like this will always leave hacs feeling like a meh ship that is limited to specific and specialized roles.

By just slapping stats on them you are giving them general bonuses for a generalized ship. They'll have some ewar as strong as bs, but not be nearly as tough. They'll be a little better than cruisers, but cost far more. They wont have the dps of battle cruisers, but sig tank better.

Basically what you end up with in all of these situations is a ship that may be better sometimes at some things, but generally is in some sort of middle ground between the three, yet costs more than all the other options, and isn't nearlly good at its role in the middle as a t3 ship. On the whole I find these changes entirely underwhelming, but at least you've given them enough stats now that about half are useless. If this is the route you take, I suggest you keep looking at the other half. The deimos and vaga both especially just dont feel there yet

CCP Rise, why did you listen to everything except the MWD bloom reduction feedback? It is a useless bonus as it even still makes the ships too large to avoid damage form BS sized weapons and they are still to slow to out run the tracking.

It's not a hull attribute, so not possible. Speed, cap recharge and dronebay are core attributes. You would have to make it a role bonus.

yes you can wreck small ships with 425...
thats not the problem with 425's

the problem with 425's youll clip your dmg with barrage loaded easy

When are deimos' green engine trails coming back?

Dear CCP Rise,
could you explain your thoughts on the Eagle?
Like i said before it is the worst Hac since years. The nearly only reason it get sold in Jita is because it get reprozessed (i probably reprozessed 500+ myself, so i know what i am talking about) when the material prices change.

What did you dramatically changed, so that people will now begin to use them?
Why does it not have a second damage bonus, like every other hac?
If you are sniping, why would you use an Eagle instead of a Zealot or a Minunn?

This ship needs much more loving or nobody will ever use it.

Before I start ranting, I'll say this..

1) I like quoting myself.

2) The Deimos is in somewhat of a bad place, and its not inherently the ship, its the play style people want from it. You really do have two camps here regarding this ship. The first is the point blank blaster max damage fit, the second is this shield fit kiting rail fit. Now the kiting fit isn't a big issue, but there is a very VERY large camp out there that do not want the Deimos to be the Gallente Version of the Eagle. Now there is a camp that wants the Deimos to be this awesome zippy Blaster Platform ship....

It really isn't. With Blasters, it really does not have the projection with damage, even with the fall off bonus, and the reason isn't because of the range that blasters get, its because it will Die in a ball of melted scrap because it has to get into range. Now if your flying a thorax, its not a big deal, 10 million isk ship, few modules, probably 30 mil. This ship is 150 million at the lower end. Its chiefly the main complaint that people have in regards to using a regular industrial vs using a deep space transport.

"Why am I going to use a 150 million isk ship vs a 1 million isk ship if they both get caught and blown to hell. They'll both die in a ball of fire if someone catches them."

Now this arguement has been argued.. ALLOT, but its specifically pertinent to the Deimos as you have to fly this ship, as a blaster setup, at 10km to apply viable damage, which is both in Scrambling Range (shutting down MWD propulsion), and also its in POINT BLANK RANGE of the fleet/fighters. This is not the ship you want to put in the frontline, as it does not have the defenses to survive as a frontline ship.

The Diemos would need the following IF you want this to be a viable frontline HAC.

1) Don't split the Hybrid Turret damage into two different bonuses, merge them into 1 (instead of 5%, just make it 10% bonus Medium Hybrid Turret Damage.

2) With the free slot you have by combining the above (moving it all into Gallente Cruiser), increase its hit points. I'd say about 5% per level. It should bring the typical 35 to 50k ehp Diemos to around 68 to 75k ehp, giving both some dynamic to fitting active reps, or a passive tank, and giving it enough time to brawl its way through the fire to actually land a shot or two. It offers extra fitting variations as it would not be deemed as totally suicidal to fit a blaster fit with a non 1600 plate (you got the extra hit points, fit a different plate, now you have the option to fit a bigger gun and/or increase your mobility.)


Gallente Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
5% increase to MicroWarpdrive capacitor bonus

Heavy Assault Cruiser Bonuses:
10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret falloff
5% Armor Hit Points per level. "Do it here as it forces people to level up Heavy Assault Cruiser if they want a brawling Deimos."

I hate (actually i REALLY hate) doing the whole hit point bonus with a ship, but this is really the only way I can see this ship living as a blaster boat. It needs the buffer, which gives it about an extra 10 to 15 seconds under fire, to get in range.