Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The problem with your argument is that most times, aside from jumping into a gate camp or some other weird situation, you choose your engagements whether kiting or brawling.

If I choose to engage with a 90% change of winning, I'll ******* take those odds in Eve. You say a kite ship has a 90% chance of disengaging? Statistically, with a perfect pilot maybe. IMO, doubtful. You make ONE mistake and get caught, you die; you must fly perfectly for the duration of the fight. The Deimos, on the other hand, has a 90% chance of winning regardless. Discount that you can't break it's tank anyway....

Numbers can be powerful; they are not useful in this situation. As you mentioned, there are FAR too many variables in fits alone, now include pilot decision making.

The Deimos is too powerful in small scale with the changes in Local Reppers, HAC rebalance (notably for the Deimos is cap recharge rate). Just because you can think up a counter in this incredibly complex game doesn't mean that counter is reasonable.

Prehaps the Diemos needs a name change if it is so powerfull: Lifemos

I don't think you understand the damage Medium Rails can do. Fail argument.

Eve is not a reasonable game. The premise of spaceships that are coated with armour that can absorb the energy of a high energy projectile (or even a tiny spec of space debris) is not even reasonably conceivable in our universe.

Eve is an interesting and challenging dynamic realtime strategy game on a huge scale. It is full of unreasonable ships that, despite their unreasonableness, must be countered somehow.

Many of them cannot be countered 1:1.

For example:

A blaster proteus will always die to a web-bonused loki (can't hit it at all).
No single T3 can defeat the tank of a self-tanked, cap stable tengu.
a blaster deimos cannot defeat the tank of a deadspace active shield DEIMOS, ishtar or any other HAC (except maybe a zealot).
A hyperion will toast most things it encounters if at point blank range (including vindicators, bhaalgorns and machariels which cost 4 times as much)
... there's a long list...

Nevertheless, all these ships have a role. Crucially, most pvp encounters are not 1:1 affairs, so the game ought not to be balanced around that.

The deimos happens to be a great 1:1 ship (unless it meets something with long range or bonused webs), but in a 5:5 all of those advantages vanish.

I have been accused of being "pro deimos". That is not the case. I am happy to see an armour ship that can finally hold on to a tackle against unpleasant odds. I wouldn't care if it was an ishtar, zealot, sacrilege or a muninn. But it happens to be the deimos.

I think the game needs a ship like this.

It gives players another reasonably priced option to have a go at countering the other unreasonable ships out there without it being unkillable and dangerous at all ranges.

I think it will make the game richer.

Man, you must not have tried the Deimos on Singularity. It will not die to ANYTHING in it's weight class 1v1, including friggin faction HACs. It won't die to Command ships, laughably destroy CBC's and ABC's, will kill any BS without huge reps or Neuts, it's pretty much easymode.

I don't think you realize just how ridiculous it is. At the very least, it certainly is not in line with other HACs.... it's like what the sacrilege wishes it were.

Of course you should blast everything at close range, the problem is all the rest that's included in the package.
OBS: This HAC stuff is out of my league.

The difference is that the Hyperion can in no way perma tank another BS on cap recharge alone, it must burn charges, and in many cases, must burn large numbers of them. This means that the tanking duration is finite, not infinite in these situations.

As for the proteus? t3 have not seen their balance pass yet and will be getting the nerfbat soon enough so using the proteus as a justification for the deimos's OPness is not really a sound argument.

Also, the Hyperion will not beat a vindicator in similar fit. The hypes tank advantage in no way makes up for the massive dps advantage the Vindicator has. You will find that the Hyperion will be burning charges quite a bit faster than the vindicator.

The difference is that it's much harder to kite against medium blasters within scram/web range than it is smalls. If the ships with medium blasters have a falloff bonus it makes that style of kiting (which is very effective in frig size) far less relevant.

You mean,
OMG it's a Gallente boat that does certain things better than a Cynabel or Vagabond, so it must be op.

Only Cynabels and Vagabonds get to do that, period.

It is a good post, but will you plate your blaster deimos like the incursus was plated in those examples? Honest question.