Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Same was said and held true with regard to the Dramiel, how did that turn out again? For every pilot with a clue you had 10 who just jumped on the bandwagon and it was still enough for CCP to reach for the bat.

So you'll be OK with a massive Deimos level boost to Sacrilege effectiveness, like double damage and RoF bonuses, then as it is as much of a dedicated brawler as the Deimos ever was albeit with the weaker tank now (rep bonus + 6 lows > 20% resists + 5 lows)?

Not much will be faster than the Deimos, high base speed and low mass = high speed under thrust .. and nothing that can outrange/outrun it will be able to break even an unloaded MAAR.

It is about time .. except the Sacrilege had that "role" since its inception but was rarely if ever used in that role as it was/is/will be useless for anything else. It is fine that the Deimos is able to fill the role, but be aware that it should not be able to do much least of all damage once in the holding pattern so decrease fittings to a point where fitting electrons becomes problematic when optimized for 'holding' .. somehow doubt you'd want that.

The "problem" is not the tank; It is the ability to kill, tank, hold, maneuver etc. all at the same time that pushes it over the top and it doesn't even have to use specific fits in most cases.

All the HACs should be as viable in as many roles as the Deimos. Having one that stands out in such spectacular fashion ruins the whole idea of tiericide/rebalancing.

So you reckon that using a specific counter fit on a pirate BS which is 4-5 classes above indicates that it is balanced properly? Most of the others will have issues against ships their own size and some will die to T1 cruisers but that is OK too I guess, because a counter-fitted BS can defeat the Deimos ... the second you found that you had to think up that scenario was the second the little voice should have yelled "Waitaminute!".

Vesha is right on the money in regards to the deimos.

There is no doubt that it's rather OP atm and imo that is strictly a result of it's cap recharge. Being able to perma run a mar with full tackle/guns is simply Overkill.

As vesha said, the deimos will tank anything that can kite it, catch anything that can't and can out brawl Commands and BS so long as large numbers of nuets are involved (vindi can't break a dual rep deimos, sorry mourn). Furthermore, you can use -sig implants and pills to drops it's sig into the 60s which makes it easily one of the tankiest ships in the game.

Dropping it's recharge to around the level of the zealot (5.2-5.4/s) instead of (6.2/s) would at least force it to burn charges every now and then when being kited or running a single MAR.... Also, why do hacs have better cap/s in comparison to command ships? They both use the same modules however commands are intended to use gang links which pushes their cap demand well beyond that of a hac, just saying...

Gawd, I know. Most... bipolar... thread... ever.

And i don't want to give it a try... for some time i was happy gallente hulls are getting buffs . But seems like MASSIVE ASSAULT on forums resulted in super ******** buffs to gallente ships - not just buffs. And i'm starting to be tired of that.

All in all ... i don't want to explain how biased game is toward gallente right now. I agree Deimos cannot go live like that. Maybe give him utility high like sacrilege and/or reduce cap recharge by 0,7.

Mourn, the cap recharge on the deimos is op, just accept it :P

Ssh! I was going to use that!

;-)

if I was faced with that choice I'd choose to increase its sig radius and leave the cap where it is.

it's really refreshing not to have to visit a station after every fight. we'll finally be able to do armour roams.

No, I just want to be able to armour tank somewhere other than in my home system.

For an armour tanker, cap recharge is the exact same thing as shield recharge is for a shield tanker. Free hitpoints.

Armour ships have always been behind on this, which is pretty much why all roams are in shield fleets.

I value having the alternative.

Seems Legit, because they already have some nanobots in the armor lorewise...

On the other hand... its another homogenization...

An active armor tank should be weakish but very easy on cap as opposed to cap intensive but overpowered active shield tank. IMHO the active armor should always win 1vs1, active shield should survive longest in 1vs2-3, buffer armor should be highest ehp for fleets and buffer shield should be a squishy twitch tank for speedgank setups.

Deimos cap is not a problem for me. Rep amount can be. An active deimos should be known to tank forever unless neuted, but only tank one ship of its size.

The rail deimos looks to be spitting on kiters while spitting on brawlers in 1v1 too. This is the biggest issue for me. As for tanking blasters, i just pointed it out as it's pretty much what it's made for.