Out of Pod Experience

Hello folks. I've just sold my baby daughter and I got about £4000 from the deal. I am wanting to invest in Star Citizen but I am not sure what to buy? Any recommendations?

Sell her stuff too, there's a good market for used craddles, prams and such.

There's always FS2:SCP when it comes to serious undertakings to bring that back. If you haven't tried it yet seriously do it, thing's like real deal nostalgia goggles. It's the old stuff but it looks better. I even dusted off my old, old Wingman 3 for this.

Don't get me wrong on crowdfunding, I'm happy spiritual (and actual) sequels are coming out. Wasteland 2 is in development. Total Annihilation cranked up to eleven with Planetary Annihilation - Supreme Commander was a good game but it tried to have plot. PA is just "Robots are shooting each other, possibly blowing up goddamn planets in the process. Because hey, explosions." (which is, let's be honest, what TA was. Two armies, one I believe of clones the others of mind-transferred soldiers beating the crap out of each other over who wins.)

But it's still risky since you - as an "investor" - don't really get to sign a paper over it. You're buying someone's dream before it got released.

The case of StarCitizen is also the case of hype. People treat this like a messiah of all that is gaming basing on the virtue of a franchise and the fact that it's led by a former industry legend. The last game "released" by Roberts (he didn't finish it) was Freelancer ten years ago. CR himself doesn't exactly help the case by his "donate a million more and we'll give you a new ship!" deals which seem to be a really dirty way of preying on people's desire for more shiney.

He demonstrated no content in which said ships would be used. The website states something about "infiltration ships" - how would they be used? Is there a game module ready for the type of stealth gameplay?

How would stealth work? Some posts on the forums quote some early signs of bad approach. Namely, cloaking device having a "prohibitive cost" - going for high cost = balance is as dumb as dumb can be. See: EVE's titan. Prohibitive cost? Yes. A lot of people have them? To the point their abundance is a problem and deaths of those ~rare and powerful ships~ tend to come in bundles. People often find ways to become insanely wealthy.

But, let's take it a bit further: consensual pvp was mentioned. Cloaky asshattery is as nonconsensual as nonconsensual gets - you pick a fight on your terms, ideally with an enemy that can't win. Admittedly hardly anything is ideal and you'll often find yourself taking risks, but a ninja always has the element of surprise on his side.

So it's a "Buy an infiltration ship! If you're a fan of stealthy gameplay IN SPACE come over to us we have it - look, it's a black boat that's hard to detect. Admittedly, we haven't even stated if this sort of gameplay will be supported but hey, vision!"

It goes on and on, ships and specs getting released as content that would have to be in the game anyway (I mean, it's a space game. has to have spaceships.) in... pretty much void, really.

Apparently both games have something bad in common: they won't have space stations with windows (or at least I'm not aware of anything like that in SC).

Right, just won't appear on scanners and probably more difficult to track.

There is also the SWACS version of the hornet to counter the stealth.

Yes there is a lot of Hype around Star Citizen.

No it will not live up to everyone's dreams and expectations, no game ever can.

But that does not mean it will be a horrible failure either, it is still in pre-pre-alpha so it has a long way to go till it gets to a released point, atm they do not even know how many will be in each instanced feature (like the EvE star system population cap) as they will not be sure till they get to the dog fighting module.

So I just think that it is really pessimistic to presume a game will be crap because it has a lot of hype.

It's true, this could turn out to be another game which promises to be among the greatest games ever and actually delivers on those promises, just like .... and .... .

The problem I see is that you're already arguing about stealth mechanics in a game not even in alpha.

Let's take things in steps. When Eve was first released in beta it was "bare bones" compared to now. There weren't even battleships in the game. No d-scan. Definitely no cloaks.

There were and have been huge holes in Eve. And CCP has made promises and not been able to deliver either. One must have a rational mind to understand the differences between wants and the ability to fulfill those wants.

There are so many levels of limitation the game needs to address that will make things very hard to deliver as promised and the vast majority of SC backers are well aware of this. The cry3 instance engine has many conflicts with CIG's vision of a persistent universe. There's even a recent youtube video on the limitations and a few proposals to address it.

I'll be the last person to think this will be some super-awesome perfect game. Only time will tell.

I'm hopeful, but not foolhardy. I'll be critical of the game, but trashing a concept in the works especially one that has an insane amount of funding behind it is quite a stretch.

A new Elite game? Wow, thanks for bringing this to my attention.

I can't like this enough.....

Unfortunately for the Eve Dev team the reason SC is not exactly like Eve is because SC is going to have a bunch of the things Eve lacks.

I would love a viable smuggling system in Eve. The smuggling in FL was great. The proposed smuggling system in Eve is great but never going to happen.

The proposed WiS system in Eve is great, the currnt implementation in Eve is zilch, WiS in SC will be a reality from day one. It will be better than what we have regardless.

The player input in Eve is so so. It's controlled by a popular vote system. I've never seen it work out well for anything but null blobs until this current expansion, which they could have just asked as about. The player community in freelancer is absolutely the best in the world bar none, and SC will be incorporating that current model into the game, but with their own Dev team as well.

The only aspect Eve is going to have that SC, or any other game doesn't have is that it is the biggest single shard MMO.

So its really like comparing a bushel of apples to one big ass orange.