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Star Citizen v EVE

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#261 - 2013-07-17 14:41:10 UTC
They see me in local

they hatin'

I know CONCORD's trying to catch me flyin' dirty!

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#262 - 2013-07-17 14:44:24 UTC
Tzar Sinak wrote:
SmokinDank wrote:
Funny, in many years of online gaming I've always seen these posts about how "x game will kill our current game".

Back when I played EnB it was Eve that was going to kill it Lol



Instead EA killed it.


EA are KM whores tbh

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2013-07-17 14:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


I don't accept this EvE criminal culture. Just play the game for it's elements, and keep far, far, far away from what the criminals consider "fun".


So you play a game despite what the game is.


Back to square one again: YOU don't define the game in a sandbox. I can play EvE just to see pretty Hubble images if I want, and since you're not paying my sub, you have zero say on the matter.

The game isn't your definition.

But thanks for showing why EvE's crime system isn't in other games. Yeah, go ahead, mock and be a school yard bully with your rag tag team of busybodies for even more effect. Drag in 4chan even. And see why it's not healthy.

Come on guys show it in all its awful glory.

I. Chose. Only. To. Play. Those. Elements. I. Enjoy. Because. ^ THAT ^. Stuff. Is. ****.

Don't like that view, fine. But you're not going to change it or others with same viewpoints on it, no matter how you or others roach dance. Lol

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Manfred Hideous
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#264 - 2013-07-17 15:08:08 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


I don't accept this EvE criminal culture. Just play the game for it's elements, and keep far, far, far away from what the criminals consider "fun".


So you play a game despite what the game is.


Back to square one again: YOU don't define the game in a sandbox. I can play EvE just to see pretty Hubble images if I want, and since you're not paying my sub, you have zero say on the matter.

The game isn't your definition.

But thanks for showing why EvE's crime system isn't in other games. Yeah, go ahead, mock and be a school yard bully with your rag tag team of busybodies for even more effect. Drag in 4chan even. And see why it's not healthy.

Come on guys show it in all its awful glory.

I. Chose. Only. To. Play. Those. Elements. I. Enjoy. Because. ^ THAT ^. Stuff. Is. ****.

Don't like that view, fine. But you're not going to change it or others with same viewpoints on it, no matter how you or others roach dance. Lol


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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#265 - 2013-07-17 15:12:22 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Back to square one again: YOU don't define the game in a sandbox. I can play EvE just to see pretty Hubble images if I want
Sure, but why not just use your normal web browser to visit the same sites?

Other than that, of course he (and everyone else) can define the game. That's the beauty of the interconnectedness of a multiplayer sandbox.

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But thanks for showing why EvE's crime system isn't in other games.
Because they're bland and generic and cater to the lowest common denominator?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#266 - 2013-07-17 15:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Anna Djan wrote:
I think this is the worst post I've seen on these forums with no basis to reality or fact.

There's something wrong with you...


Actually, being judged by thugs is a compliment.

I don't accept this EvE criminal culture. Just play the game for it's elements, and keep far, far, far away from what the criminals consider "fun".

That's your cup of tea, just don't bring it to other games that's a tad healthier in the mental department. Straight

But it's OK for you to push your agenda and idea of "fun" to people who believe the freedom to have a criminal culture is what makes Eve what it is?

You either genuinely believe your own rhetoric, or you're a troll playing the metagame, either way you're a hypocrite.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#267 - 2013-07-17 15:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


I don't accept this EvE criminal culture. Just play the game for it's elements, and keep far, far, far away from what the criminals consider "fun".


So you play a game despite what the game is.


Back to square one again: YOU don't define the game in a sandbox. I can play EvE just to see pretty Hubble images if I want, and since you're not paying my sub, you have zero say on the matter.

The game isn't your definition.

But thanks for showing why EvE's crime system isn't in other games. Yeah, go ahead, mock and be a school yard bully with your rag tag team of busybodies for even more effect. Drag in 4chan even. And see why it's not healthy.

Come on guys show it in all its awful glory.

I. Chose. Only. To. Play. Those. Elements. I. Enjoy. Because. ^ THAT ^. Stuff. Is. ****.

Don't like that view, fine. But you're not going to change it or others with same viewpoints on it, no matter how you or others roach dance. Lol


This demonstrates another problem you have. "The Lens" through which you view everything is cracked ie your perceptions are bad which leads to bad conclusions.

If your lens worked properly, you would see that I did not speak AT ALL about how you choose to play the game. I don't care that you spend 15 bucks a month to fly around looking at pretend stars when you could look at real ones by stepping outside and looking up at night (lol). I don't care if your idea of enjoyment if autopilotion from Rens to Jita and back again all day. TO EACH HIS OWN.

I don't not try to define the game.

YOU defined the game and it's community, and have basically said that you don't care for it. This game was created by Icelandic psychos to be "cold, harsh and dark" and to attract a certain crowd. It has done that.

Yet here you (ms "Johnny come lately") come, playing a game whose core, whose SPIRIT you despise while having the gall to suggest that there is something wrong with those of us who actually like EVE and it's community for what it is: raw, nearly unfiltered adult gaming. In other words, we're the normal ones, your the crazy crackpot that people tend to avoid in the streets lol.

You're constant deriding of this community (based on ignorance, you should have researched EVE before choosing to download and play) is as dumb as someone walking into a place CLEARLY marked "strip club" and then getting mad because you see exposed boobs. Not paying attention to where you are (and understanding the history of the place) is YOUR fault, not the game's. And not mine.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#268 - 2013-07-17 15:44:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This demonstrates another problem you have. "The Lens" through which you view everything is cracked ie your perceptions are bad which leads to bad conclusions.


My lens is what I chose it to be, and no wisecracker online is going to change it.

Now, if you have nothing else to state but the usual "I HATE WOW" BS, then I'm back to watching movies.

Bye, Jenn.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#269 - 2013-07-17 15:48:21 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
My lens is what I chose it to be, and no wisecracker online is going to change it.
Sure. But why do you choose it to be cracked?

Quote:
Now, if you have nothing else to state but the usual "I HATE WOW" BS, then I'm back to watching movies.
So you're not back to watching movies then, and are instead composing some kind of response to the points he made?
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#270 - 2013-07-17 15:49:19 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

Back to square one again: YOU don't define the game in a sandbox. I can play EvE just to see pretty Hubble images if I want, and since you're not paying my sub, you have zero say on the matter.

The game isn't your definition.

But thanks for showing why EvE's crime system isn't in other games. Yeah, go ahead, mock and be a school yard bully with your rag tag team of busybodies for even more effect. Drag in 4chan even. And see why it's not healthy.

Come on guys show it in all its awful glory.

I. Chose. Only. To. Play. Those. Elements. I. Enjoy. Because. ^ THAT ^. Stuff. Is. ****.

Don't like that view, fine. But you're not going to change it or others with same viewpoints on it, no matter how you or others roach dance. Lol



HOLY ****! YOUR POST! Shocked

How did You do it? Question

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#271 - 2013-07-17 15:54:45 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
This demonstrates another problem you have. "The Lens" through which you view everything is cracked ie your perceptions are bad which leads to bad conclusions.


My lens is what I chose it to be, and no wisecracker online is going to change it.


No one is trying to change it, just pointing out that it (like you yourself) is messed up lol. It's the barrier to you being a good poster and good EVE citizen.

Quote:

Now, if you have nothing else to state but the usual "I HATE WOW" BS, then I'm back to watching movies.

Bye, Jenn.


You probaly watch movies and get the wrong message from them too....

For the record, I don't hate WoW. I didn't like it for myself but I'm glad it exists since people enjoy it.

What I dislike is WoW players who go to other games like a cancer and try to turn everything into WoW like some Totalitarian Nerd Tsunami.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#272 - 2013-07-17 17:38:20 UTC
I think it would be neat if CCP turned the game into homeworld. I am going to be playing star citizen, and if it has half of whats promised, I'll probably play it till I get bored.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#273 - 2013-07-17 17:50:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Craig Bennett2th
I'm just going to add this in here and let people run with it.

One of the things I like about SC is you don't get a new ship when you die. In fact, you don't get a ship when you start out (unless if you pay for one with real $ or run through the military and buy one after x amount of missions). So, it's highly possible you can play the entire SC game without owning a ship. Like instead of owning a ship, you can just work with someone on another ship.
(BTW, like EVE. There is a ship insurance. Unlike EVE, there are already restrictions on when it will be used. Below is a quote from RSI (the makers of SC)
"Insurance may be temporarily suspended for ships with outstanding bounties.Proven cases of insurance fraud will result in invalidation of insurance on that ship and may result in large in-game fines.")
Also, unlike EVE. You can lose your ship in other ways of PVP/E. You can run out of fuel, people can take over your ship, someone can take out your engines, etc. So between the 2. You have a higher likely of losing a ship (based on what we know so far)


Then to top it off, there is a rating system like on ebay. If you suck at working on a ship, people will rate you low (you can also rate them low). But, this means no one will hire you if you suck. So... thats the end of your game.
(I think an example of the rating system is freelancer.com. If I hire someone and they suck. I can give them a super low rating, and they most likely won't get another job. (I've done that, and that has happen to some people that I gave low ratings too))


While on EVE you have a no ship no problem. You just get another ship. In fact, you can suck at whatever, and you can just keep getting new ships. Of course word can get around, and that may keep people from playing with you. But, since there is rating system, there is no word to mouth and your employment history. (I'm not talking about joining a corp. I'm talking about doing whatever with a group or corp.)
People says EVE doesn't hold your hand and it's like RL. Well what I said above is how EVE holds your hand.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#274 - 2013-07-17 17:55:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
I'm just going to add this in here and let people run with it.

One of the things I like about SC is you don't get a new ship when you die. In fact, you don't get a ship when you start out (unless if you pay for one with real $ or run through the military and buy one after x amount of missions). So, it's highly possible you can play the entire SC game without owning a ship. Like instead of owning a ship, you can just work with someone on another ship.
(BTW, like EVE. There is a ship insurance. Unlike EVE, there are already restrictions on when it will be used. Below is a quote from RSI (the makers of SC)
"Insurance may be temporarily suspended for ships with outstanding bounties.Proven cases of insurance fraud will result in invalidation of insurance on that ship and may result in large in-game fines.")
Also, unlike EVE. You can lose your ship in other ways of PVP/E. You can run out of fuel, people can take over your ship, someone can take out your engines, etc. So between the 2. You have a higher likely of losing a ship (based on what we know so far)


Then to top it off, there is a rating system like on ebay. If you suck at working on a ship, people will rate you low (you can also rate them low). But, this means no one will hire you if you suck. So... thats the end of your game.
(I think an example of the rating system is freelancer.com. If I hire someone and they suck. I can give them a super low rating, and they most likely won't get another job. (I've done that, and that has happen to some people that I gave low ratings too))


While on EVE you have a no ship no problem. You just get another ship. In fact, you can suck at whatever, and you can just keep getting new ships. Of course word can get around, and that may keep people from playing with you. But, since there is rating system, there is no word to mouth and your employment history. (I'm not talking about joining a corp. I'm talking about doing whatever with a group or corp.)
People says EVE doesn't hold your hand and it's like RL. Well what I said above is how EVE holds your hand.


Free noob ships and ship insurance isn't hand holding.

And you speak as if SC already exists. I wish I had the guts to argue an existing games features vs a proposed game's wishlist lol.

Of course, it seems you already have your mind made up ...........
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#275 - 2013-07-17 18:01:53 UTC
Anything that doesn't involve the player undocking dying instantly to someone, and logging out because they can't do anything is hand holding.
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#276 - 2013-07-17 18:03:45 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Free noob ships and ship insurance isn't hand holding.

And you speak as if SC already exists. I wish I had the guts to argue an existing games features vs a proposed game's wishlist lol.



Compared to SC where you don't get a ship unless if you have insurance on it. Yes it is.

The insurance part isn't. But, having no insurance restrictions is.

Yes SC isn't out yet, but I'm going off of what they wrote down as what will happen. It's kinda like if CCP wrote some update they are going to add in the future (which I think they should). We must assume it's going to come out if a company like CCP or RSI writes this crap down.

BTW CCP's future updates is fair game in here. Even more so when they have a release date (or about) attach to them.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#277 - 2013-07-17 18:04:10 UTC
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
I'm just going to add this in here and let people run with it.

One of the things I like about SC is you don't get a new ship when you die. In fact, you don't get a ship when you start out (unless if you pay for one with real $ or run through the military and buy one after x amount of missions). So, it's highly possible you can play the entire SC game without owning a ship. Like instead of owning a ship, you can just work with someone on another ship.
(BTW, like EVE. There is a ship insurance. Unlike EVE, there are already restrictions on when it will be used. Below is a quote from RSI (the makers of SC)
"Insurance may be temporarily suspended for ships with outstanding bounties.Proven cases of insurance fraud will result in invalidation of insurance on that ship and may result in large in-game fines.")
Also, unlike EVE. You can lose your ship in other ways of PVP/E. You can run out of fuel, people can take over your ship, someone can take out your engines, etc. So between the 2. You have a higher likely of losing a ship (based on what we know so far)


Then to top it off, there is a rating system like on ebay. If you suck at working on a ship, people will rate you low (you can also rate them low). But, this means no one will hire you if you suck. So... thats the end of your game.
(I think an example of the rating system is freelancer.com. If I hire someone and they suck. I can give them a super low rating, and they most likely won't get another job. (I've done that, and that has happen to some people that I gave low ratings too))


While on EVE you have a no ship no problem. You just get another ship. In fact, you can suck at whatever, and you can just keep getting new ships. Of course word can get around, and that may keep people from playing with you. But, since there is rating system, there is no word to mouth and your employment history. (I'm not talking about joining a corp. I'm talking about doing whatever with a group or corp.)
People says EVE doesn't hold your hand and it's like RL. Well what I said above is how EVE holds your hand.


Pay 2 win is enabled just like eve and league of legends
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C C P
C C P Alliance
#278 - 2013-07-17 18:05:14 UTC
Moved to Out of Pod Experience.

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Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#279 - 2013-07-17 18:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Craig Bennett2th
Knights Armament wrote:
Anything that doesn't involve the player undocking dying instantly to someone, and logging out because they can't do anything is hand holding.



I think you can on here in EVE and SC. Like in the starter systems in both games, you can't really die from PVP. But, you can outside of that. But like EVE, there will be cops to take out down. (IDK if they blow you up like they do here. Or arrest you like they would in RL)

Knights Armament wrote:


Pay 2 win is enabled just like eve and league of legends


Sadly, I think that's common now in MMO. The good thing that SC crew said is they will have a limit on how much you can buy per month or something. They said this should stop the rich in RL from overpowering everyone else.
They didn't say what the limit was. So this could be nothing more than smoke.

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt

Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
#280 - 2013-07-17 21:43:12 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Craig Bennett2th wrote:
I quickly found the true sandbox was a lie, and obviously "EVE is real" moto is a lie. (Come on. There is no physics in the game. Well besides the gravity that holds you down in WIS)


I believe we are all here because we are trying to find something to fill something in us. Something to keep us from being bored. Something that makes us feel like we did something. Something that makes us feel like we are apart of a working team. Or whatever. Only you can say what is missing.


EvE is a time sink. These time sinks exist when the lonely, the unemployed or disabled have nothing else to do (otherwise people wouldn't need these games as time sinks, just amusement and in a healthier environment).



I will admit EVE is a time sink. But, normal people have needs and get bored too. I'm not saying there isn't any unemployed or disabled people on EVE. But the statement you quoted was a blanket statement. It was meant to cover all types of people.

As far as the "social experiments". There is a lot easier and cheaper ways to do these types of experiments. So what I am getting at is. While it could be a "social experiment" to some players. EVE is a game, and nothing more. (I wouldn't doubt some teachers are having their students go in EVE and test their social experiments. Many physiology teachers do this with other games, sites, and so on. But, these experiments tend to last about a week or less.)

Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not. Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt