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Furious Enterprises 8,745
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises Likes received: 8,745	#61 - 2013-06-29 05:04:22 UTC Sure thing. ☼ There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Sunshine and Lollipops 27,526
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#62 - 2013-06-29 05:08:34 UTC See sig and the posts within about about the EVE skill system. In short: no.

The Scope Gallente Federation 747
Montevius Williams The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 747	#63 - 2013-06-29 05:20:45 UTC Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Somebody losed a duel..... Damn, man. Learn to spell lol Is losed even a word? . . . . . . . . . . Just looked it up and "Losed" used to be a word but it is now obsolete. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 517
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 517	#64 - 2013-06-29 05:40:35 UTC Doc Fury wrote: Sure thing. The Real Thing Never get near a granny with a knife (or shotgun)! Meet ya on the Battlefield! _"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Bat Country Pandemic Horde 19,001
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#65 - 2013-06-29 06:33:13 UTC 5 "This rifter cost me nothing, all the mods were looted from rats, I dont think my guns have ammo. I just tackled a dread for my fleet." Newbees. Effective from 30 minutes old and fearless warriors, never leave station without one.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

Likes received: 16,296

#66 - 2013-06-29 06:45:12 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

"This rifter cost me nothing, all the mods were looted from rats, I dont think my guns have ammo. I just tackled a dread for my fleet."

Newbees. Effective from 30 minutes old and fearless warriors, never leave station without one.

Indeed. Ignorance of the danger you're in can be the ultimate courage. There are little forms of defense better than simply not giving a ****.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN 44
Leper ofBacon HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN Likes received: 44	#67 - 2013-06-29 08:10:50 UTC 1 If you insist upon being so precious about pixelated internet spaceships and fair fights you will never enjoy the game. Big fish eat small fish. So go find some friends, form a massive swarm of enraged newbs and start throwing yourself recklessly at players with expensive gear.

Machiavellian Space Bastards 28,489
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards Likes received: 28,489	#68 - 2013-06-29 09:03:24 UTC Leper ofBacon wrote: form a massive swarm of enraged newbs and start throwing yourself recklessly at players with expensive gear. Goonswarm, the early days. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack

Apherolaz

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#69 - 2013-06-29 09:40:58 UTC

I've lost 100% of my solo PvP encounters. I've scored a few kills flying with corp mates, and that was almost enough to keep me around, but that means the only time i can actually have fun is when my corp mates are around - which is only a fraction of the time. I spend most of my time in plexes watching a timer count down - which is about as much fun as watching paint dry. I've unsubbed but i still have 1.5 months left.

PvP does suck when you are new. It really sucks. What amuses me is when people point out how some random newbie managed to kill some random veteran using only a Tech 1 frigate, and therefore PvP is perfectly viable for all newbies.

Truth is, it's not.

Guys with more skill points and more ISK will crush you every time. That is perfectly understandable, and not entirely a fault with the game per se, but more so a by product of the game being as old as it is now. The majority of the player base are veterans and it is only fair that they should have no troubles popping newbies.

If you insist on sticking around, you are going to have to accept the fact that all you are good for is padding the stats of better players - at least until you have 6 months of PvP skill training under your belt. Otherwise, play something else - there are loads of other great games on the market that provide a level playing field.

Ace Uoweme

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#70 - 2013-06-29 09:48:43 UTC

Apherolaz wrote:

PvP does suck when you are new. It really sucks. What amuses me is when people point out how some random newbie managed to kill some random veteran using only a Tech 1 frigate, and therefore PvP is perfectly viable for all newbies.

Truth is, it's not.

Look at the killmail, that newbie is tagging along with maybe 3% of the damage done. He may even luck up with a killing blow.

But more chances than not -- because he doesn't have the defense skills, let alone advanced weapons skills -- he's but cannon fodder.

The ones claiming it's easy, is like in WoW when a level 90 looks back on what he can destroy at level 90 (not at level and without the twink gear). Happens in all games, everything is simple and easy with experience.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Zappity

New Eden Tank Testing Services

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#71 - 2013-06-29 10:10:12 UTC | Edited by: Zappity

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Mara Pahrdi

The Order of Anoyia

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#72 - 2013-06-29 10:19:32 UTC

Ace Uoweme wrote:

Happens in all games, everything is simple and easy with experience.

That is the OP main problem ofc. That and his attitude.

He got overall good advice in EVE New Citizens Q&A. Ofc you can play an mmo solo. But you have to accept the fact you're doing it hardcore. Do not come to the forums complaining it is unfair.

Remove standings and insurance.

Seven Koskanaiken

Shadow Legions.

SONS of BANE

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#73 - 2013-06-29 10:22:58 UTC

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Ace Uoweme wrote:

But when you break down the statistics, you have a logi player with 0% of the only score that matters...DPS.

EvE doesn't even break down role scores, yet there's only one score that matters (and what you'll be judged for).

Logistics player = healer. Why would I want to be judged by 0% of DPS, and not say something like this?

Someone will hopefully remind you to go back to wow.

Everyone fighting to help test keep those moons it sold to that guy: make sure to put a gun on your logistics. Every single highslot spent on getting on killmails helps, thanks.

No warrior I on the market. No logi for me today,

Hulkageddon Orphanage 816
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage Likes received: 816	#74 - 2013-06-29 10:24:06 UTC Eve, a Harsh universe - Says so on the box. Fairness is relative to the largest side.

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 4
Blade Mosh Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 4	#75 - 2013-06-29 10:38:30 UTC You have unrealistic expectations from your actions. Join a pvp corp and learn. Now where did that beer go?!

Rico Minali

Sons Of 0din

Commonwealth Vanguard

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#76 - 2013-06-29 10:48:32 UTC

A few months ago a couple of friends and I made a brand new characters of various races, trained to use a warp disruptor an AB and basic T1 weaponry and went pvping in less than 24 hours. We won a surprising number of engagements, there were 4 or 5 of us, sometimes we solo'd or in pairs and sometimes all 5 of us. We had an enormous amount of fun for a couple of weeks, in fact some of the best fun Ive had in a long time. In fact I may just do it again.

So basically, op doesn't have clue what he is talking about.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Jonah Gravenstein

Machiavellian Space Bastards

Likes received: 28,489

#77 - 2013-06-29 11:14:26 UTC

Rico Minali wrote:

There is a difference between your newb alts and the OP, that difference is experience, the ships are fine, the modules are fine and the skills available to a newbie are fine.

Experience only comes with time and practice just as it does in real life, but yeah even the greenest of newbies can dive straight into PvP and get in on kills while they gain the experience. The best way to learn to PvP is to do it, preferably with friends.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Critically Preposterous 39,899
Liafcipe9000 Critically Preposterous Likes received: 39,899	#78 - 2013-06-29 11:16:19 UTC this thread is delicious.

Express Hauler 1,909
Lipbite Express Hauler Likes received: 1,909	#79 - 2013-06-29 11:22:25 UTC \| Edited by: Lipbite 1) life isn't fair despite politically correct fairy tales - it's strange to expect coders could make a game better than life; 2) for slightly more fair starship PvP you may want to check Star Conflict - and even in that relatively simple game you'll be unfairly beaten (a lot) once you'll reach tier2.

Cannibal Kane

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#80 - 2013-06-29 11:24:03 UTC | Edited by: Cannibal Kane

Paul Otichoda wrote:

basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS

My corp of new players killing people in t1 frigates and t1 cruisers with t1 guns would like to prove you wrong on that.

I even got older player that only ever knew missioning and mining joining corp.

http://camp.killmail.org/

Even if you decided to swallow your great big crocodile tears long enough to try and join them. I won't allow a sniffling little cry baby like you to join anyway. Even If you had the joining fee.

You got the wrong attitude for pvp.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

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