Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are absolutely correct. I did suggest that but it wasn't under the idea of some passive nerf to cloak or something that like. I suggested an ACTIVE hunting of cloaked ships, one that requires that the pilot is prepared for PVP. I dont want to run the cloaker off. I want to kill him and send him home.

we all should stop bumping this terrible thread.

For once, I agree with Robert. OP is several AU away from his rocker and has consumed enough of his own snake oil that he honestly believes his own claims. No further progress can be made to educate the OP about the error of his ways. I do, however, strongly recommend putting cloaked alts in all of his corp and alliance's systems. I would also suggest wardeccing his corp/alliance's highsec logistics wing. After all, OP does want more PvP in EVE. Furthermore...

We should all stop bumping this terrible thread.

You have suggested a counter to only afk cloaky ships. A tactic that is useful in exactly one situation: Countering the intel tool that is local in a ratting system. That is all afk cloakys are useful for. That is the only reason anyone would ever do it.

Then you tell me it's about pvp. As stated, I am not an idiot and neither are you. We both know what this is about. You claiming this isn't about pvp is like proposing changes to strip miners and then saying it's not about mining. It's a change to counter a tool designed to do one thing, it's about that one thing, and that one thing is pve.

Look, I get it. Afk cloaking is lame. It is. No one likes tying up an account and keeping their computer on 24/7. The problem is right now it is a necessary evil. There needs to be some method of creating risk in 0.0 There has to be a way to disrupt the ratters in a war. 0.0 cannot be made 100% safe. Until an alternative to local is released, we need afk cloaking.

Why is it you suggest nerfing cloaks and not the mechanic that they are attempting to use to cause you issues?

Why should you gain even more intel, on top of the already powerful local intel channel?

How is this in anyway balanced?

Balanced for you and making null PvE safer maybe, but not a balanced approach.

This isn't a chicken and egg sitution. We know what came first and why people AFK to try and subvert it's power. You cannot look at this game and the mechanics used and compare it to another for that fact.

Null is already safer than high sec, due to how well local gives it's intel. Intel that's also had a boost of late. For you to ask for yet more intel, ontop of what is quite frankly intel on a plate easy mode, is ridiculous.

I've seen the argument used that they are completely safe whilst cloaked. But for that argument to hold water, then it must apply both ways.

Also if you have issues with cynos, then make a thread about it. It's a seperate active mechanic and doesn't require a cloak to work.

Funny enough, black ops are the least suited to being used in the way you appear to be envisioning them.

This is slightly better. Though the cloaked ship should also not be able to view local while cloaked. (on a slightly unrelated note, black ops cannot use covert ops cloaks)

Also I'm assuming you meant "covert ops cloaks" when you said "t2 cloaks".

From a balance point of view, if you're not appearing in Local you shouldn't also have the benefit of seeing the people who are appearing in it. That's why cloaked ships can't see local when their cloaks are engaged and they don't appear in the channel list.

The point about black ops has already been raised by Astroniomix, so I'll leave that.

As far as Shadowbane is concerned, I'm simply not interested. It's like comparing chalk and cheese and doomed to fail. If you like it so much, then go and play that instead to be quite frank.

Those of us that have responded to 'I can't use the current mechanics, to stop people playing war games in my head' threads over the past years, know the mechanics involved in this. We know which mechanics are being used for and then used against players. You're just yet another player in a long line, who believes they have a new look on this and makes a thread about it. Yet fails to include the actual mechanic being used for the point of AFKing.

I do question if your idea even would target those AFK? What's to stop them simply pointing out to space and moving constantly whilst cloaked? Then what about those scouting or gaining intel? You're basically saying they should move often, because your use of local is being compromised. This idea is a direct nerf to active cloaking, not including the latest moving of goal posts.

You talk of increasing PvP. Yet as far as I'm aware, no one every took place in combat PvP whilst AFK and cloaked.
Do you know you can AFK without a cloak and gain the same psychological effects? Shouldn't that alone be enough for you to understand the mechanics at play here?

Now we've reached a point where you're so focused on nerfing cloaks, you ended up buffing them instead. Yet the mechanic being used for AFKing, is still there.


So back to basics here.

Exactly what problem are you trying to solve? Let's get right to the core of what you wish to remove. Let's keep it simple, as this horse has a bad smell about it.