Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As a good idea for specialization, why not:

1. A ship with max cargohold at the expense of slower speed
2. a ship with minimized align time for quickest movement through direct piloting
3. a ship with maximized velocity for quickest movement through autopilot

Having a ship that is faster than another while autopiloting but not as fast while directly piloting sounds like a pretty good deal...

This seems reasonable, actually.


The skills are still useful, and reskilling to a different race is cheap and easy.

Here is your lore:

In the year YC115, the war that raged between the empires continued to escalate both on the ground and amongst the stars. To focus resources on winning the war, Gallente discontinued all manufacturing of its industrials and hired ORE to commission new ones. The other empires quickly followed suit.

Lore problem solved. Next excuse?

How about t1s with dedicated ore compression holds? Basically you get some oversized ore holds that are like 20x to 30x the regular cargo capacity. They would be comparable to some of the t1 compression blueprints.

But they must be in 'compression mode' if there is any ore in them for the ship to undock. They couldn't compress in space. If ganked they wouldn't drop any more volume than what would fit in their normal size hull's hold. Otherwise, they have a frigate sized hold.

re: Roles for the "extra" industrials like the Iteron II

Contraband hauler? Make the cargo hold immune or highly resistant to cargo scanning.

MDD

So far as I can see, the Iteron V hasn't lost a single cubic metre of cargo space.

Guys just stop posting and agree. Once this is done he's doing HACs :-)

Mammoth>Hoarder

Ignore your misguided sense of art direction....we've all seen the burst and moa.

Also, why are we 'fixing' this? Are you guys running out of important things to work on or are you just bored? Industrials are fine. They certainly don't need what basically amounts to a pointless stat redistribution. Now if you wanted to special holds for certain roles we could talk, but this just seems like change for chances sake.

Leave it alone.

A problem I like to adress: Shield Tanking is still mandatory for all industrials as lows will be stuffed with Expanders. How about disallow cargo expander use for Industrials and giving them a higher base cargo (Like they had 4 expanders fitted for example.) and removing some low slots from all industrials. This way an Industrial could be fitted shield or armor.

The next problem is the rig disadvantage of the cargo rig. Maybe change that to an agility penalty?

As much as I was looking forward to this, and as much as it pains me to say this, I'm simply not happy with the announced changes. You simultaneously marginalized already-existing ships and homogenized them WAY too much.

Firstly, there should have been three (3) categories for Industrials: the Tanky one, the Fast one, and the Large Cargo one.

The tanky ones would have been: Sigil Mark II, Badger Mark II, Hoarder and Iteron Mark III.
You could have accomplished the "tanky" role by having one of the ship bonuses be:

• +4%/level resist bonuses (with increased structure hp and slot layout) for Caldari and Amarr


• +hp to armor for Gallente


• -sig radius (or increased shield HP) for Minmatar.

Each of these bonuses feel racial and fit the class well. The Sigil Mark II could have just been a Sigil with a slightly different color scheme, since that's not terribly difficult to implement and it's been done before.

The fast ones should have taken the role of the old blockade runners, in that they are extremely fast to align and warp, but the T1s would not get the BR warp bonus and certainly cannot warp while cloaked. However, they could be scanned, so low value cargo for AFK fast travel could be possible again (now that this role has been destroyed since BRs are unscannable loot pinatas). These ships would have been Sigil Mark I, Badger Mark I, Wreathe, Iteron Mark I.

Lastly, the large cargo ones would have been Bestower, Badger Mark III, Mammoth, and Iteron Mark V. The Badger Mark III would have been a reskin of the Bustard hull (since it has another cargo box) in T1 skins. Not time consuming to implement. Obviously, the bonuses would be like the proposed large-cargo ones.

The other ships, Iteron II and IV would simply be discontinued, as their hulls live on in the Viator and Occator.

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For a slightly different take: that would have been a 'homogenized" version of the industrial redesign. However, CCP should consider that racial variants, especially the Industrials, don't ALWAYS have to have the same role, especially considering that it only takes Spaceship Command III now to train these hulls.

Why not have racially diverse specialization?? Why not make the Bestower the most tanky hauler, or the Iteron V able to carry the most PI goods? Why not diversify? If I want to haul lots of ore, I can train into the Minmatar Industrial line, where the Mammoth has a bonus ore hold. Or the Itty V has a bonus PI hold. Or hell, a ship can have a bonus Salvage, Ammo, etc. holds. This would add flavor and not additional training time, since I don't have to train into the racial frigate now. It makes sense that each race would offer something unique--a competitive advantage--that the other race's wouldn't.

It'd add variety to ships that we'd fly on a regular basis--instead of always seeing the Iteron V as it was before. Personally, I get that you want each race to be able to haul goods, but that doesn't mean that each must do it the same.