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I'd like to see tags4faction the way tags4sec works
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Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-06-15 08:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Vix
Last note to OP: If you are not aware, you can use the agent finder in your captains quarters to find agents from all 4 empires located in just about every region of space. So if Caldari hates you and you are in Minmatar space wanting to repair Caldari faction, the agent finder will tell you what corp in Minmatar space is aligned with the Caldari and you can run missions for them to repair your faction (only storylines repair empire standings).
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-06-15 08:11:05 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Then there would be no consequences for pve activities outside of "I might get ganked for my shinies".


yea i know, however it just feels like it hinders me to play the game to its full potential, maybe they should make it possible to pay down the negative standing with ISK, I don't know... mabe also reduce the power of the navy ships so you just have to fight in negative empire space but not get killed immediatley...


Navy ships are already pretty weak.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2013-06-15 08:17:09 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
Last note to OP: If you are not aware, you can use the agent finder in your captains quarters to find agents from all 4 empires located in just about every region of space. So if Caldari hates you and you are in Minmatar space wanting to repair Caldari faction, the agent finder will tell you what corp in Minmatar space is aligned with the Caldari and you can run missions for them to repair your faction (only storylines repair empire standings).


yea i know that, however i find the process of grinding up too slow in comparison to how fast the standings can be damaged...

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Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-06-15 08:20:11 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
Last note to OP: If you are not aware, you can use the agent finder in your captains quarters to find agents from all 4 empires located in just about every region of space. So if Caldari hates you and you are in Minmatar space wanting to repair Caldari faction, the agent finder will tell you what corp in Minmatar space is aligned with the Caldari and you can run missions for them to repair your faction (only storylines repair empire standings).


yea i know that, however i find the process of grinding up too slow in comparison to how fast the standings can be damaged...


Almost like real life isn't it P
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2013-06-15 08:28:23 UTC
Kara Vix wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Kara Vix wrote:
Last note to OP: If you are not aware, you can use the agent finder in your captains quarters to find agents from all 4 empires located in just about every region of space. So if Caldari hates you and you are in Minmatar space wanting to repair Caldari faction, the agent finder will tell you what corp in Minmatar space is aligned with the Caldari and you can run missions for them to repair your faction (only storylines repair empire standings).


yea i know that, however i find the process of grinding up too slow in comparison to how fast the standings can be damaged...


Almost like real life isn't it P


:) Cool

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Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#66 - 2013-06-15 08:50:06 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Elliavir wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly this just hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


Why? Is it the working up from nonfactor to beloved with factions that you don't like - or the fact that you wind up picking sides by what you do - or ???


the problem is if i run some missions the standings go down too fast with the other factions, and if it goes too low I'm unble to access their space anymore as the npc navy will attack me, however i need to go around as I'm trading a lot, basically i wanto to run missions and do all stuff in the game but when it hinders my trading it blocks me from doing it...


Trader/Hauler?



Distribution Missions




you don't get it, I want to paly everything not just parts of the game!


then obviously the solution is that every time you lose standing with one of the big four you should immediately travel to that faction and do a mission in penance for firing upon their troops. Be the true neutral you are.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2013-06-15 08:51:52 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
yea i know, however it just feels like it hinders me to play the game to its full potential


What the ships and all to be handed over for free, too?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Charlie Jacobson
#68 - 2013-06-15 09:05:09 UTC
As someone without alts, I also think the faction standing mechanics are bad. Getting faction standings back up is a mind numbing grind with practically zero income on top. At the start of my EVE career I didn't know about them, and accepted a lot of anti-faction missions. I literally had to do ALL the career agents of every race to get my faction standings back to safe levels.

I don't know why people are being so hostile toward the OP. Tags4faction would make more sense than tags4sec does imo.

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2013-06-15 11:28:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Super spikinator wrote:


then obviously the solution is that every time you lose standing with one of the big four you should immediately travel to that faction and do a mission in penance for firing upon their troops. Be the true neutral you are.


tried it but it looks like firing on ships damages the standing more then running missions, so you become negative faster as positive, and you got a hard time runing higher missions with that tactic as you stay close to the 0 standing that way...

however some said its possible to do it, i guess i still need to just try it a bit more, nevertheless factional warefare seems to be impossible if you want to keep good standing in the long run, thats why a possibility to repair the standing with tags or ISK downpayment would be welcome, no need to have this cheap, i just want to go around playing multible level 1 missions to bring it up slowly again, that just sounds boring for me, there needs to be a better solution than that...

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#70 - 2013-06-15 11:35:11 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly this just hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


So the game doesn't work the way you want it to?

Noted.

How about posting that i F&I and see if anyone agrees?

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2013-06-15 11:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lors Dornick wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly this just hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


So the game doesn't work the way you want it to?

Noted.

How about posting that i F&I and see if anyone agrees?


actually I put it into GD like you see and there are already lots who agree, how about not pettifogging an and just giving us insight in your opinion instead?

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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-06-15 12:44:38 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly the NPC Faction Standing hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


Ummmmm.... you know the mechanics, aka rules of game, you made choice to do a certain thing, and now you complain about what you have done because it has consequences that were known before you started it.


Your sense of entitlement is as massive as your lack of awareness and what a game with choices and consequences means.


Grow a pair, try to use your brain, think about what you do and the effects it has before you start.

remember the old proverb... "Look before you leap".

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2013-06-15 12:54:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly the NPC Faction Standing hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


Ummmmm.... you know the mechanics, aka rules of game, you made choice to do a certain thing, and now you complain about what you have done because it has consequences that were known before you started it.


Your sense of entitlement is as massive as your lack of awareness and what a game with choices and consequences means.


Grow a pair, try to use your brain, think about what you do and the effects it has before you start.

remember the old proverb... "Look before you leap".


please learn to read and understand before making silly and insulting comments like that, I mentioned that I did not make wrong choices, actually the mechanics hold me back from playing the game like intended, therefore some points where added, study some more and come back when you have a better view on what this is about, thanks...

you might as well check your wording I'm not a 16 year old, so you can behave like a grown up in case you got the skills for that...

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Real Folk Spike
The Earth is Round
#74 - 2013-06-15 12:58:37 UTC
Brainless Bimbo wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly the NPC Faction Standing hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


Ummmmm.... you know the mechanics, aka rules of game, you made choice to do a certain thing, and now you complain about what you have done because it has consequences that were known before you started it.


Your sense of entitlement is as massive as your lack of awareness and what a game with choices and consequences means.


Grow a pair, try to use your brain, think about what you do and the effects it has before you start.

remember the old proverb... "Look before you leap".



It sounds like talking about issues about sec status.

But it got changed, and we have tag4sec.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#75 - 2013-06-15 13:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Real Folk Spike wrote:


It sounds like talking about issues about sec status.

But it got changed, and we have tag4sec.


no its about faction standings, thats something different, however the issue could be solved like ccp did with the security standings

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#76 - 2013-06-15 13:06:21 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I mentioned that I did not make wrong choices, actually the mechanics hold me back from playing the game like intended
No. The only thing holding your back is your choices. If you aren't happy with the results, then they were obviously the wrong choices. This is entirely as intended.

…oh, and you can already buy faction standing for tags.
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#77 - 2013-06-15 13:36:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I mentioned that I did not make wrong choices, actually the mechanics hold me back from playing the game like intended
No. The only thing holding your back is your choices. If you aren't happy with the results, then they were obviously the wrong choices. This is entirely as intended.

…oh, and you can already buy faction standing for tags.


A Google search using the term "eve online faction standings for tags" pulled up this link to the Evelopedia...

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Data_Centers

Evelopedia wrote:

Event Agents located at Data Centers offer a one time agent mission that will give Faction standing for a number of pirate tags. Data Centers are deadspace locations found at beacons in high-security 'Empire' space. There are twelve Data Centers total with three Data Centers for each of the four major Empire factions, Caldari, Minmatar, Gallente and Amarr. (Amarr share theirs with the Ammatar and have more agents total.)


I'm pretty sure you can purchase the pirate tags in Jita and other popular market hubs.

I hope this helps P

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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2013-06-15 14:24:45 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:


please learn to read and understand before making silly and insulting comments like that, I mentioned that I did not make wrong choices, actually the mechanics hold me back from playing the game like intended, therefore some points where added, study some more and come back when you have a better view on what this is about, thanks...

you might as well check your wording I'm not a 16 year old, so you can behave like a grown up in case you got the skills for that...


hold on you say " actually the mechanics hold me back from playing the game like intended "

so your saying the game mechanics, also known as the rule set, are stopping you from playing according to the rule set, aka the game mechanics

You take part in FW and know that 2 Factions will get pissed off and you complain about it is all i´m seeing. There are numerous ways to get standings within existing game mechanics, some available within jumps of where you are.

Silly and insulting, lol, look in mirror matey.

already dead, just haven´t fallen over yet....
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-06-15 15:01:00 UTC
I think I also should be able to gank the OP's ship in a rookie ship with free L33T Jovian weapons with no sec standings hits. I am upset that this part of the game off limits to me on my main because I am too poor to whelp t2 tornados and buy security tags. This is an outrage!!!!
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2013-06-15 16:48:17 UTC
The Chronophage wrote:
I think I also should be able to gank the OP's ship in a rookie ship with free L33T Jovian weapons with no sec standings hits. I am upset that this part of the game off limits to me on my main because I am too poor to whelp t2 tornados and buy security tags. This is an outrage!!!!


keep calm and read the details then you might understand better...

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