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Well something you might want to remind the Power That Be during those meetings, is that leaving things in a half-assed state tends to leave your players with a rather pessimistic view of the company. And hack/arch sites are definitely in a half-assed state at the moment. Stop leaving things half done!

The player base can certainly give you guys more feedback after a few months of playing. Just start a new thread and we'd be thrilled to give you our input.

I don't know about you two but my opinion on hacking has not changed since the final version was released on SISI before odyssey was deployed.

Personally I don't see this a problem/bad mechnic either. At first I was nerd raging about it too, but once I got used to it and found out which cans to go for it really isn't that bad. So I agree with this.


I would like to see the loot tables tweaked a bit, as with more people doing exploration now, the value of loot dropped in these sites has decreased quite a bit.


For the most part I would agree, but every now and again you get hacks with three, four and five restoration nodes which really gives you no chance of a succesful hack (or maybe I just really suck at the mini-game ^_^).


Yeah couldn't agree more, they are less then worthless at this stage. Lower the drop rate please.


One other point I would like to make is that you have stated you want exploration to be a team effort, so that you would need some friends to be able to collect everything that is dropped. Well I regularly do exploration with a friend and one really annoying thing keeps happening to us. We keep tractoring the same can, tying both of us up until one of us wins the tug-o-war over the the can. Which is rather conterproductive to the whole team effort thing you guys were so keen about.
So I would like the tractor beam to lock on to cans faster to lessen the chance of this happening

i have the same problem with the scatter mechanic, i keep frantically clicking a dozen times per container because i keep missing the **** thing

and high sec data/relic sites, i have the same experience, it's kind of fun, and i really like the new minigames(everything but the scatter), but it's just not remotely worth it.

at the moment i'm sad to have to have to tell my noob friends: "stay the *** away from exploration in high sec, you make about 20x that for the same time spent just doing lvl 3 missions or mining"

even just the anomaly sites, the ones you dont need probes for,
grinding those is between 5x-10x more money per time spent then looking for data/relic sites(in high sec)

that's a point though, it's hard(sp wise) AND pointless, um, why is it there then?
surely it's SUPPOSED to be worth the time for SOMEONE?
i'm thinking some balance changes elsewere messed it up

I can't believe, after all the negative feedback we've done, that the hacking minigame is still in place.

I thought that the Eve community was better than that. Eve is a game where knowledge is the key, when you know the mechanics it's easier, but you have to take the time to adapt, learn, assimilate, reproduce.

Here we have a god damned clickfest with 100% of epic randomness. No knowledge requiered, no way to have any indication about what the next node is going to give, there are just some times when you loose the minigame and you know you couldn't have done better as you have perfect skills and fully rigged ship.

One flagrant example, a few hours ago when I was recording a french walkthrough of the hacking minigame with my civilian hacking module : four remaining nodes, first a choice between two nodes, then two nodes one after the other with only one possible path. There was three defense subsystem for these four lasts node, and with my 25 coherence the whole minigame was just decided by complete randomness for choosing the path with two defensive, or the path with one.

Speaking about clickfest, we can also say the same about the looting container thing. Bring a friend with you so that he can be bored while you hack ? Come on, you need to fire the genius who got the idea ! The only great solution would be if this very bad minigame turned into a nice coop game if you are two to hack the container, so that the other person isn't waiting, and it also becomes a multiplayer minigame (you know, in a multiplayer environnement, a bit of teamplay wouldn't hurt).

Well anyway my point is that there is no word to express how much I feel that our money was poorly invested into some bad game design. A bad idea can happen, but there has to be someone into the developpement process that can put a veto when devs needs help to step back and look at their own ideas with an objective point of view.

Let's hope that everything gets fixed for the winter expansion, but I doubt it sadly.

Well imagine in wormhole space where the sites weren't redone, and every container with this ridiculously tiny amount of loot is a hard minigame.

How much container do you have in null ? If I recall correctly, around five. Now in wormhole it's more around fifteen.
Believe me, just run ONE data site in a wormhole C4 or more, and you'll understand what a clicfest is, especially when you have to try multiple times for some containers... You'll hate that before the end of the site, and it is only the FIRST site you've done.

So, when you "hear" things about nullsec hacking minigame, I experienced them. And believe me, they achieved to do the only thing that can be actually worse than cycling a module and waiting for it to trigger.

Im constantly running sites in null and i got perfect skills for relic sites. I barely fail at them using a covert ops frigate but its getting tired to do the minigame. Its just annoying that after all the work you have done (scanning and then doing a clickfest) that you actually have to pick the scatter containers up. Couldnt we just simply grab the stuff out of the can instead?
My arm starts to hurt after doing lots of sites. I would prefer it if we just do it the old fashion way and sit there and wait.
I allready have to pay attention to local, d-scan and on top the mini game and loot mechanics.

The minigame isn't too bad, even if I could easily live without it. The loot spew mechanic weirds me out, though.

I like to pretend to be a space archaeologist and I keep thinking about how strange it is to analyze let's say an old Talocan wreck only for it to suddenly vomit stuff into space. That's just absurd. The mad clickfest to catch the cans is just the icing on the **** sundae for me.

The trash items like carbon or data sheets are another thing. Wouldn't it be neat if instead of finding useless junk you could find some kind of lore item relating to what you are analyzing? Like if you analyze old Angel remnants, some of the trash could be stuff like a short diary from some long-dead Angel pirate or you could find something about the history of the Talocan by analyzing something left from them.

For all I care, you could just randomly replace some of the junk inside a can with a lore item, that way even if you click the wrong can or are just plain unlucky, you could at least have something more interesting then a bunch of old hydrogen batteries.

The lore items would spice up the game, even outside of the exploration-business: Years from now you could theoretically find some player willing to pay high prices for a rare lore item, just so they can finish their collection. No-one would pay for a bucket of coal, though. Even though both are equally worthless ISK-wise. Just a random idea I had.

I didn't bother to read all the replies in this thread but from the few I did read, seems I'm not the only one who thinks the Odyssey expansion has dumbed down and nerfed exploration all the way back to the stone age.



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