EVE General Discussion

I don't have to speak for CCP, they've done it just fine on their own. What we have here is someone who disagrees with CCPs interpretation of their own rules to which I say: Too...bad?

Your argument about people NOT using isboxer and using "multibox" as a reference are not synonymous. You can use either one without the other.


The reason I stopped was that I could manually multibox more easily than I could with ISBoxer, though that's largely irrelevant here.
My first post in this thread, I opened with "As someone who used to multibox with ISBoxer..." I AM speaking from experience. It is NOT as easy to run multiple accounts strung together as it is to run one, and I know this, having done it extensively for a fairly long time.

Have a look at the last several pages, it's mostly you arguing against various people. It may not be your thread, but you're certainly looking after it.

Of course I am. It interests me. As it does you, or you wouldn't be here.

A typical kneejerk reaction would be to call me a babysitter.

This will not do. So it comes down to the fact you want to take apart posts into some sort of belligerent wall of text multi quoting to make things difficult and get things lost in the translation of what you are trying to say, or you can keep things civil and simple in some sort of a discussion.

Simply quoting and misinterpreting someone else's speech does not make you a part of the conversation unless you have a specific question you wish to ask (that is relevant to the thread).

So again, to keep things on track, what is it you wish to know?

I'll just add my 2 scents in this conversation. I've been playing games for a very long time and this is a conversation which seems to come back every few years.

I define a macro as any button or keybind which allows you do do multiples actions at once. This definition is somewhat broad and it should be. In the right hands, macros are extremely powerful tools.

Propagating a command most certainly fall within the scope of this definition. For me, denying this is playing on words. Right now, in Québec, we have a commission inquiring on collusion. For me, it's the same exact thing, peoples denying the obvious truth and trying to rephrase it so that they can keep going with their everyday business. You can say it however you want, IS Boxer is a form of macroing.

And before you go asking, I do have 2 accounts. It does require quite a bit more micromanagement to run even 2 accounts without using IS Boxer. I don't think that a single player could reasonably manage more then 2 or 3 accounts without a program like IS Boxer. Beyond that, macros are almost without question required.

We can discuss this how we want, and i think people have made themselves very clear on both views on a couple of thread-naughts.

CCP ruled in isboxers favor on what it does currently, though will not officially endorse it, because CCP doesn't control any additions/updates made to the program that could potentially put it in clear violation.

Fact remains, people discussed this many times now, CCP doesn't mind what isboxer does at this point. CCP simply has final say on their own rules, CCP is the judge and the hammer went down.

What it does now, it's allowed, now when an updates comes that would change the program in some way, you are free to again make a threadnaught about it.

Now, have fun using it, or don't, w/e

...and we finally get to the heart of the problem, you think your opinion matters.

When you have a red box that says GM in front of your name like this person then maybe I'll take you seriously, until then....

Isboxer is literally botting. Kind of like how growing your own food is like printing money.

I would not trash talk about CCP. God knows I've tested their patience and they have impressed me.

I have to ask myself the question, I wonder why your ego believes it has the right and/or authority to such information.

I can do better. Imagine the 100 man ice miner fleet. Its easier. He has to spend 80 hours a month ice mining to break even, let alone make any ISK. People pay cash for ISK buying PLEX's. Real Cheating. Where do you think this ISK comes from? cheap fuel prices, where do you think that comes from too?

He's got 100 accounts, he should be banned because ice mining is too easy. Moving that orca every few minutes after paying 35 billion isk so I can make 77 mil an hour, is just to easy. Yeah. People shouldn't pay CCP cash for ISK. We want more expensive fuel. We want less POS's. More expensive T3 ships. Must be in highschool if you don't understand economics.

Imagine how a fleet of 10 ships could take down your T3. No one who spends 30-40 billion ISK and months of training time per account, 4-5 billion isk a month to pay for the accounts, should be able to kill your T3.

It makes total sense.

Somehow you believe there are no costs involved, as if multiboxers somehow get everything for FREE. I WISH!

You don't dictate CCP policy. It does not break mechanics, and it is not cheating. In fact CCP disagrees with you and they are the authority that determines such things. That means your a liar.

The Truth:
People make statements that have no basis on reality because they have not multibox'ed with ISBoxer and 5-10 accounts.

Synchronization is unreliable in this game. Sure, press F1 and all your guns might fire. Right click in space, select station and dock, sure they might all do the same. Or more like 3-5 will just totally ignore what your doing all together.

My point is, key broadcasting is by far and large not dependable. Sure it works sometimes. Maybe half the time.

Different firing rates, skills, distances, even the overviews are unsyncable to be reliable. If it's off by a single pixel that could be the difference between repeating a command to doing absolutely nothing to warping through the wrong gate and getting podded.

PVP? had 5 frigs, lost a 45 mil manticore and it's 100mil pod to an abaddon. Thought I could outdps him before his warrior 2's killed me. I was wrong. Lost another ship, but luckily got his pod out. What's this crap about not having to alt-tab? well technically I press ctrl-alt-1 etc. The point is if I wasn't multiboxing I could have saved that 100mil pod.

PVE? Just lost an Ishtar because for some reason it decided to move 60km into the blob.

Once I was in lowsec and jumped my 5 frigs through a gate. 1 ship went through a totally different gate and got podded. When you got 4 ships sitting on a gate in lowsec, it's not really the time to be alt-tabbing around.

Oh wait I don't have to alt-tab at all do I.

Seriously, what is it your smoking, cause I want some. That's some premium stuff.

pwn.

I would point out that the EULA/TOS is deliberately worded to be broad giving CCP the right to deal with unforeseen circumstances as they see fit.

In fact the lines quoted could equally be applied to mouse and keyboard macros which allow rapid input of commands or at a stretch running your finger from F1 to F8.
In this case CCP have applied their discretion to decide what is covered and are allowing ISboxer. Until something in the program changes they are not in a situation where they can really say more without looking like a climb down at best, or indecisive at worst.

BTW I do personally multibox but don't use ISboxer, not from a moral stance I just don't want to pay for it :)

Dude! That is just so deep and, yet, so succinct.

Difference is that they are playing the game as it was designed, and their success depends on teamwork, experience and execution.

Your success depends on a third party program controlling game clients on your behalf, enabling actions that would be impossible to execute by a single player without the third party program.

What's the difference between a player recording an action and his botting program repeating it 10 times, and you performing an action and your ISbotting program repeating it 10 times?