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IS boxer Software and it's legality under the EULA

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Fixy FixIT
Black Dragon PHP
Darwinism.
#1 - 2013-05-20 14:31:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Fixy FixIT
Hello all,

I just wanted to bring something to light and hear your views on the legality of this piece of software as regards the eve EULA.

I ask you all to Watch this tutorial from start to end http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RBRp9GEji4E

and then tell me that this DOESN'T break the rules set out in the EULA, specifically :

Quote : "6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp"



Clearly, IS Boxer breaks the EULA rules right from the start as it allows you to login multiple accounts all at the same time without having to enter account name and password details etc..... (ahem - remember this "other stored rapid keystrokes
")
Never mind the fact that you can position windows so that modules on your ships like Guns and shields can all be activated on multiple accounts simultaneously and with just a single click.

I raised a petition with Customer Support and the best they could do was direct me to the forums,

**** Edited GM convo out of this post at advice of another member ****

So it would seem that CCP encourage people to break the rules.

I have to ask myself the question - I wonder how many people are using this software, and if it's large, organised corporations that are doing so.........

Imagine how a fleet of 20 miners under control of IS boxer could affect the local market mineral prices,
Imagine how a fleet of PvP ships could take down your T3 ship if you didn't have to alt tab all the while or even worse, you have two gangs of tacklers IS boxing to keep your ship jammed/scrammed etc while the rest of the fleet guns you down.

This software should be banned - It breaks the mechanics of the game and it's clearly cheating.

But that's my View.

What's yours ?
Bloody Wench
#2 - 2013-05-20 14:35:54 UTC
While I agree with you, posting GM correspondence will just get it locked/deleted/etc.

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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#3 - 2013-05-20 14:36:25 UTC
Somewhere there is a video of a guy with several computers and they are all joined together so that one mouse moves all the cursors with levers and stuff while he ice mines. Wish I could remember the title or keywords to find it.
Dusty Meg
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-05-20 14:39:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Dusty Meg
For a start you cannot store passwords in Isboxer, yes you can input the same password into all the accounts at the same time with keyboard broadcasting but that's it.

Everything else has already been said is fine by GM's (ahem you shouldn't be posting correspondence from them)

So stop saying its cheating/illegal as it isnt

And CCP don't encourage people to break the rules, the EULA is vague for a reason and its up to CCP if they want to uphold it anyway

Creater of the EVE animated influence map http://www.youtube.com/user/DustMityEVE

Fixy FixIT
Black Dragon PHP
Darwinism.
#5 - 2013-05-20 14:39:50 UTC
I wasn't aware they would lock it for that.
I was told to take the issue to the forums as the GM's couldnt help, that's why I copied/pasted.
I will edit it out.

Thankyou for your advice.
Fernando MRuiz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-05-20 14:40:19 UTC
Look even more carefully at the rule you just cited.

EULA wrote:
6. CONDUCT
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


ISBoxer allows for multi-client play. And by that, 'multiple clients, each with its own account and separate growth rates.' What you quoted is the part of the EULA that says 'don't use a program to give a single account the growth rate of a bunch of them.'

...also, inb4lock.

"One must, in one's life, make a choice between boredom and suffering." - Mme. Germaine de Staël

EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-05-20 14:41:31 UTC
CCP said its cool to use, what more do you want ?
Danni stark
#8 - 2013-05-20 14:44:31 UTC
the new thread button should redirect to the search function.

that way we don't have to read waste of time threads like this one.

we ******* know isboxer is fine, ccp have said so in numerous threads.
Jason Xado
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-05-20 14:48:54 UTC
Multiboxing is valid gameplay.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#10 - 2013-05-20 14:49:42 UTC
The search feature is your friend

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Valari Nala Zena
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-05-20 15:13:13 UTC
Fixy FixIT wrote:

Clearly, IS Boxer breaks the EULA rules right from the start as it allows you to login multiple accounts all at the same time without having to enter account name and password details etc


Clearly you haven't tried it since that statement is false.

Which doesn't make me wanna read whatever else you said about it.

CCP said it's good, otherwise just http://i.imgur.com/egFbwL5.jpg , it makes no difference
Othran
Route One
#12 - 2013-05-20 16:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Snipped deleted off topic post. -- ISD LackOfFaith

Personally I've never used the s/w but it clearly gives an advantage over even keyboard/mouse macros.

CCP should have dealt with it years ago but they didn't and what are they supposed to do now - ban a sizable chunk of their subscribers?

Clearly alts are a major part of CCP's business plan (and have been for a LONG time) or we wouldn't be getting dual training, so expecting CCP to ban people using "alt management" software which they have used for years is naive to say the least.

In an ideal world ISBoxer would be banned. Eve isn't ideal so it isn't banned.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-05-20 16:40:14 UTC
Why is ISOboxer so testy?
What makes it necessary to complain about so much?

And when will subscribed threads start updating!
Danni stark
#14 - 2013-05-20 16:50:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
Othran wrote:
Snipped deleted off topic post. -- ISD LackOfFaith

Personally I've never used the s/w but it clearly gives an advantage over even keyboard/mouse macros.

CCP should have dealt with it years ago but they didn't and what are they supposed to do now - ban a sizable chunk of their subscribers?

Clearly alts are a major part of CCP's business plan (and have been for a LONG time) or we wouldn't be getting dual training, so expecting CCP to ban people using "alt management" software which they have used for years is naive to say the least.

In an ideal world ISBoxer would be banned. Eve isn't ideal so it isn't banned.


why should isboxer be banned?
what does it matter if people have 1 account, or 100 accounts?
Victor Dathar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-05-20 16:55:00 UTC
I use ISBoxer for my daily life. Right now I am quad boxing jobs at the local Dairy Queen.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#16 - 2013-05-20 17:13:15 UTC
Victor Dathar wrote:
I use ISBoxer for my daily life. Right now I am quad boxing jobs at the local Dairy Queen.


Genius!

With ISBoxer I can write code on the dev, test and production servers at the same time!

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

ISquishWorms
#17 - 2013-05-20 17:27:55 UTC
So if I was to code my own software that logs me into multiple accounts on a single click of a button I won't get banned for it? Maybe I should petition that first.

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.

Randi Fleetstalker
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-05-20 17:44:28 UTC
Disclosure: I wrote ISBoxer.

Fixy FixIT wrote:
Clearly, IS Boxer breaks the EULA rules right from the start as it allows you to login multiple accounts all at the same time without having to enter account name and password details etc..... (ahem - remember this "other stored rapid keystrokes
")

I'm sorry, I don't know where you got this understanding from, but ISBoxer does not do this.

The account name is stored by EVE itself in its configuration file (there's even a little check box on the login screen to save the account name), and the password is stored by neither. Separate account names are stored for you by using different configuration files. (ISBoxer calls this feature Virtual Files.)

Some people enter their password using software called KeePass which is designed to securely store passwords for various programs. ISBoxer does not provide a feature like this, but DOES provide a simple "paste" feature, which is the same as Copying something and then Pasting it into the client. This is NOT recommended for passwords because it is not secure, although I have heard of people using it to enter their password.

Either way, what you're "clearly" stating about ISBoxer is not true at all. :)
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2013-05-20 17:51:27 UTC
Randi Fleetstalker wrote:
Disclosure: I wrote ISBoxer.

Fixy FixIT wrote:
Clearly, IS Boxer breaks the EULA rules right from the start as it allows you to login multiple accounts all at the same time without having to enter account name and password details etc..... (ahem - remember this "other stored rapid keystrokes
")

I'm sorry, I don't know where you got this understanding from, but ISBoxer does not do this.

The account name is stored by EVE itself in its configuration file (there's even a little check box on the login screen to save the account name), and the password is stored by neither. Separate account names are stored for you by using different configuration files. (ISBoxer calls this feature Virtual Files.)

Some people enter their password using software called KeePass which is designed to securely store passwords for various programs. ISBoxer does not provide a feature like this, but DOES provide a simple "paste" feature, which is the same as Copying something and then Pasting it into the client. This is NOT recommended for passwords because it is not secure, although I have heard of people using it to enter their password.

Either way, what you're "clearly" stating about ISBoxer is not true at all. :)



Hey now! No sullying a GD rant thread with facts. Big smile



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#20 - 2013-05-20 17:53:59 UTC
OP you should have started a thread called: 'General Discussion' should have its name changed to 'For Trolls And Unhelpful Responses'.

ISBoxer is a tool used by players to imitate in game friends, this behaviour it sad but is in no way effecting eve in such a negative way that it needs to be banned. Next time you see someone flying 15 Ships at once don't be angry, just think of the sad player sitting there playing with his 14 imaginary friends. :)

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

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