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How much would you pay to be able to Wardec an NPC corp?
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flakeys
Doomheim
#161 - 2013-05-17 09:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Some Rando wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Bare with me guys

No, you go and sit naked in the corner all by yourself, I'll be elsewhere, thanks.

Iudicium Vastus wrote:
there is what, 90%+ of area that isn't hisec

Incorrect, high-sec is about 13% of systems total, including WH space. It also has (probably) the highest concentration of wealth and idiots who can be parted from said wealth.



You don't have much null experience do you?

Otherwise you'd know the biggest idiots usually come from there.Using mittani for 3rd party mom/titan anyone?Undocking massive amount of plex in kestrel anyone , o/ spacemonkeys ? Oops forgot to pay the rent , beybey space anyone?

And yes , i live in null and yes i also live in high-sec and yes i also live in low-sec.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#162 - 2013-05-17 10:26:06 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Bare with me guys

No, you go and sit naked in the corner all by yourself, I'll be elsewhere, thanks.

Iudicium Vastus wrote:
there is what, 90%+ of area that isn't hisec

Incorrect, high-sec is about 13% of systems total, including WH space. It also has (probably) the highest concentration of wealth and idiots who can be parted from said wealth.



You don't have much null experience do you?

Otherwise you'd know the biggest idiots usually come from there.Using mittani for 3rd party mom/titan anyone?Undocking massive amount of plex in kestrel anyone , o/ spacemonkeys ? Oops forgot to pay the rent , beybey space anyone?

And yes , i live in null and yes i also live in high-sec and yes i also live in low-sec.

Mom/titan scam victims and stuff the kestrel types just about all come from highsec. Highsec is by far the home to the stupid pilots.
flakeys
Doomheim
#163 - 2013-05-17 13:24:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Some Rando wrote:
Iudicium Vastus wrote:
Bare with me guys

No, you go and sit naked in the corner all by yourself, I'll be elsewhere, thanks.

Iudicium Vastus wrote:
there is what, 90%+ of area that isn't hisec

Incorrect, high-sec is about 13% of systems total, including WH space. It also has (probably) the highest concentration of wealth and idiots who can be parted from said wealth.



You don't have much null experience do you?

Otherwise you'd know the biggest idiots usually come from there.Using mittani for 3rd party mom/titan anyone?Undocking massive amount of plex in kestrel anyone , o/ spacemonkeys ? Oops forgot to pay the rent , beybey space anyone?

And yes , i live in null and yes i also live in high-sec and yes i also live in low-sec.

Mom/titan scam victims and stuff the kestrel types just about all come from highsec. Highsec is by far the home to the stupid pilots.


Tell me more about moms and titans in high-sec and how pure blind -the home of spacemonkey kessie at the time ' is part of high-sec .


Didn't know it was time for bedtime fairytail stories yet ....

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#164 - 2013-05-17 13:30:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:

What would also be cool if there were certain NPC corps that are automatically involved in faction warfare or (non wardecable) newb NPC corps that only allow avatars below a certain SP limit and higher level NPC corps that actually CAN be wardecced etc. Dunno if that would be even feasible.

That said, no I wouldn't even pay 100m a week because I simply do not have that much raw ISK.


It would have to be time based as SP based means that vets can abuse that system.


Whatever works, I guess. *shrug*

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2013-05-17 13:51:11 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
250m a week?

A Billion?....Two? TEN?

I think it would be a good change to the game. Certainly for those hundreds of players in them. Might get them out into some real Corps.

tl:dr Immunity to wardecs is 'tehghey'.



No.

Do not waste time.

Never going to happen.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2013-05-17 14:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Six Six Six wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps.



Then what?


Start your own corp, get bored and leave.

Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave.

Or you might find a good corp and actually stay.



There is no reason to be forced into a player corp.

I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore.


I think the pros outweigh the cons.

What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members?

Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Straight

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#167 - 2013-05-17 14:21:59 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
I have no interest at all in filling out a bloody 30 page application


Show me a single corp that wants you to fill out a 30-page application. I'll wait.

EVE Uni was close.... That was the corp I started to apply to and finally said, "This is crazy"...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2013-05-17 14:24:07 UTC
... "here's my number, call me maybe?"

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#169 - 2013-05-17 14:41:26 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Straight

Because CCP makes money off them.

I have 6 accounts, pay cash for all of them...

I also buy the occassional GTC to trade on the forums for ISK. So CCP gets maybe $1500 bucks a year from me alone...
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#170 - 2013-05-17 14:42:50 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps.



Then what?


Start your own corp, get bored and leave.

Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave.

Or you might find a good corp and actually stay.



There is no reason to be forced into a player corp.

I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore.


I think the pros outweigh the cons.

What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members?

Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Straight



Nothing is exciting about an NPC corp, but then I've not always been in NPC corps. Finding a good corp is not an easy process though, although it's easy to find a bad one.

Solo players will mainly stay in an NPC corp some will make their own corps, but that's their choice. Problem with some corps is you end up playing someone else's game and not the way you want to play. Which is another reason some people stay in NPC corps. Some stay there because they don't want to combat PvP others stay there because of RL time constraints and the feel because of that it's not worth getting involved with a player corps and some player corps can be demanding on your time. Of course others just park their alts there away from war-decs. There's various reasons why people stay in NPC corps, plus the chat can be better than a solo corp and even better than some player corps.



I've said this before, that I've never seen a game that mixes PvP and PvE players do it successfully.

The main reason for that is the PvE players try to stay out of the way of the PvP players and don't dictate how the PvP players should play the game. But PvP players will always try to dictate how PvE players should play (not all PvPers) because those PvEers make such easy targets.
Disturbed Drake
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#171 - 2013-05-17 14:48:00 UTC
10bil
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#172 - 2013-05-17 14:49:44 UTC
flakeys wrote:

Tell me more about moms and titans in high-sec and how pure blind -the home of spacemonkey kessie at the time ' is part of high-sec .


Didn't know it was time for bedtime fairytail stories yet ....


Its the truth. For every one monkey ibis there are a hundred in high sec. A huge amount of super scams involve a high sec players wanting a super to use as leverage to get into some alliances. Its amazing how many will part with their isk for a discounted super and entry to goons.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2013-05-17 16:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Six Six Six wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps.



Then what?


Start your own corp, get bored and leave.

Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave.

Or you might find a good corp and actually stay.



There is no reason to be forced into a player corp.

I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore.


I think the pros outweigh the cons.

What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members?

Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Straight



Nothing is exciting about an NPC corp, but then I've not always been in NPC corps. Finding a good corp is not an easy process though, although it's easy to find a bad one.

Solo players will mainly stay in an NPC corp some will make their own corps, but that's their choice. Problem with some corps is you end up playing someone else's game and not the way you want to play. Which is another reason some people stay in NPC corps. Some stay there because they don't want to combat PvP others stay there because of RL time constraints and the feel because of that it's not worth getting involved with a player corps and some player corps can be demanding on your time. Of course others just park their alts there away from war-decs. There's various reasons why people stay in NPC corps, plus the chat can be better than a solo corp and even better than some player corps.



I've said this before, that I've never seen a game that mixes PvP and PvE players do it successfully.

The main reason for that is the PvE players try to stay out of the way of the PvP players and don't dictate how the PvP players should play the game. But PvP players will always try to dictate how PvE players should play (not all PvPers) because those PvEers make such easy targets.


Okay then, i guess the solution to this thread topic would be as follows:

1. Create new NPC corps that are invulnerable to war decs and have an age restriction on them i.e. a corp for beginners

2. Allow existing NPC corps to be wardeced.

Ps. don't confuse PVP vs. PVE with Single player vs. Multiplayer games. If you just want PVE, play a single player game.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#174 - 2013-05-17 16:43:33 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:


2. Allow existing NPC corps to be wardeced.


See, I am against this.

I would rather see restrictions on NPC corps, things like 15-20% tax on all bounties, mineral refining, sales, manufacturing jobs, research times/cost ect. Also higher charges for station services. That way players have a very good reason to go into a player corp.

If you leave said corp when under a wardec then you are punished by having the above taxes imposed upon you for however long was left on the wardec (max time = a week). I would also have corps keep the wardec for the whole week no matter what they do. That way they cant just scrape off a wardec and make their tower invincible.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2013-05-17 19:50:57 UTC
CCP should add a lowsec and nullsec where people have wars.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#176 - 2013-05-17 19:52:25 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
CCP should add a lowsec and nullsec where people have wars.



That's not a bad idea
Khemax
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2013-05-17 21:20:43 UTC
Sucky Ideas Just Plain SUCK!!

RollRollRoll
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2013-05-17 21:30:48 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
250m a week?

A Billion?....Two? TEN?

I think it would be a good change to the game. Certainly for those hundreds of players in them. Might get them out into some real Corps.

tl:dr Immunity to wardecs is 'tehghey'.




This is, by far... the worst idea, ever. For three reasons:
1. Don't you even understand why NPC corps are immune to wardecs?
2. All you're doing is just admitting to the Devs and GM's that you're a griefer.
3. Each player character faction already has NPC corps that you can wardec.... it's called FW.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
ashley Eoner
#179 - 2013-05-17 21:31:48 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Zero. NPC corps should never be able to be wardeced, they should be a place for beginners to get accustomed to the game. However, there should be a character age limit in all NPC corps.



Then what?


Start your own corp, get bored and leave.

Or join a poorly run player corp, get bored and leave.

Or you might find a good corp and actually stay.



There is no reason to be forced into a player corp.

I've said this many times and I'll say it again, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do (especially in a game). Maybe one day that will sink in to those who try to do exactly that. At least then it would save me from having to say it anymore.


I think the pros outweigh the cons.

What is so exciting about NPC corps? The fact that you have no investment in the corporation and on real connection to the members?

Why does and MMO need that kind of players anyway? ... yeah, yeah i know: "because sandox!" Straight



Nothing is exciting about an NPC corp, but then I've not always been in NPC corps. Finding a good corp is not an easy process though, although it's easy to find a bad one.

Solo players will mainly stay in an NPC corp some will make their own corps, but that's their choice. Problem with some corps is you end up playing someone else's game and not the way you want to play. Which is another reason some people stay in NPC corps. Some stay there because they don't want to combat PvP others stay there because of RL time constraints and the feel because of that it's not worth getting involved with a player corps and some player corps can be demanding on your time. Of course others just park their alts there away from war-decs. There's various reasons why people stay in NPC corps, plus the chat can be better than a solo corp and even better than some player corps.



I've said this before, that I've never seen a game that mixes PvP and PvE players do it successfully.

The main reason for that is the PvE players try to stay out of the way of the PvP players and don't dictate how the PvP players should play the game. But PvP players will always try to dictate how PvE players should play (not all PvPers) because those PvEers make such easy targets.
I ended up stuck in the NPC start corp because no decent corp wanted someone who didn't have at least 10 or 20m sp and those that did were obviously trying to scam me. Although my favorite response has to be the spy alt accusation. I quite for 10 months before re-activating my account and now I get the spy alt accusation even more because my character is almost two years old and is way behind on sp..
Khemax
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2013-05-17 21:33:23 UTC
Fw actually involves something that might shoot back.....he wants to kill stuff safetly