Player Features and Ideas Discussion

He has got a point tbh.
Combat >>>> Attack.

Unless the combat battleships where a lot slower, the advantages they have in HP/tank and fittings effectively put them in a higher tier.

it makes then effectively a T2 specialist ship and an OP one at that.

I really do think the navy mega should have a full rack of 8 turrets and no missile points.
8 instead of 7 makes up for how the new reugular megathron has 8 lows. This used to be what allowed the navy-thron to outdamage/active-tank it. now the navythron is barely any different.

Until CCP start to realize that Hybrids and Lasers use cap this is a pretty pointless discussion. The ships will always be gimped with what is essentially a module and CPU penalty as they have to slap in so many Cap Rechargers.

What makes you think that's not what the Fleet Typhoon will be doing?

-2 Turrets because it is a ship with a full focus on drones and not with a focus on Turrets. Thats why I written two versions of it, so each one can chose his personal version if he want to get the "I don't know what I be ship" or the "I know what I be ship". So the turrets are only a low self support, like drones on other ships.

If you realy don't like this second one in the LP shop you don't have to buy it or who will force you to do i?

What do other people with ships? Fly around, ship spinning, missions, pvp, having fun? I would sell a corps of mine for the drone focused version :P
Better? Worse? That is a full part of the point of view. I don't like the permanent bonus on each damn ship for dps .. oh dps and more dps. Where is the specialisation of the ships and first of all no one of the drone ships have a real full support for the drones. (expect carrier / super carrier they are nearly same for each faction) Most people talking about the big Gallente focus for drones.. oh yes I see nothing from it. Not one ship have a real Role for drones, and this is my request for getting only one damn ship that real is a ship for drones. Giving my drones a oil can and the other one I have to repair I realy care about them.
If I would like to Mission RUNNING, also REAL mission running I would not use dominix or a Navy version of it. There are definetly higher dps monsters on the market (like the macha or nightmare). I like to make my missions unhurried. :)

You don't lose the Navy Dominix, I would like to request for a second navy version of it.

Dominix Navy Issue = Attack Ship (Hybrid dmg +5%)
Dominix Navy Drone Issue = Supporting Ship (so also lower dps = -2 turrets, to have the role)

And for the Dev's it should not be real more than a copy paste from the old version + a little correction of the stats. But making real drone lovers massiv happy. But you can still have fun with your additional +5% hybrid bonus ship. So we are both happy or not?

Hope I was able to answer to all questions on your side.


GALLENTE

DOMINIX NAVY ISSUE

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints
+5% Large Hybrid Turret damage

Slot layout: 6H, 6M, 7L; 6 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 11000 PWG(+1100), 660 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 9500(+1296) / 11000(+1684) / 11000(+1039)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate): 5500(+250) / 1100s(+12.5s)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 110(+1) / .12(-.0054) / 97100000 / 16.15s (-.72s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 375(-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 70km / 90 / 7
Sensor strength: 27 Magnetometric Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 455(+35)


DOMINIX NAVY DRONE ISSUE

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints
+10% Drone optimal range and Drone tracking speed

Role Bonus:
150% bonus to Remote Armor Repair System range
20% bonus to Logistic Drone repair amount

Slot layout: 6H, 6M, 7L; 4 turrets(-2) , 0 launchers
Fittings: 11000 PWG(+1100), 660 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 9500(+1296) / 11000(+1684) / 11000(+1039)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate): 5500(+250) / 1100s(+12.5s)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 110(+1) / .12(-.0054) / 97100000 / 16.15s (-.72s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 600 (+200)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 80km(+10) / 90 / 7
Sensor strength: 27 Magnetometric Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 455(+35)

Role Idea:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3123743#post3123743

What have you done to the Navy issue ships?

That ship was easy to fit until now, but now it has the same cap problem as the Abaddon due to no cap consumption bonuses.
Now the only proper Amarr battleship for L4 missions (for people with not so many skills) is the Nightmare :(
(Because it only has 4 turrets--> half cap usage)

Up to now, most navy issue ships were superior versions of their T1 counterparts
And that also made sense, since the Navy of the race needs a better ship than the "normal people" get

BUT:
Now they are just T1 ships with different bonuses and a little bit better slot layout
Well, they ARE better than the T1 counterparts, but (especially the Navy Apoc) aren't worth that much ISK anymore--> Price in LP shop needs to be reduced by about 30%


Don't start hating me, I usually fly a shield Tengu in highsec, but that's my opinion on what you did to the Navy apoc
In other words:
Exchange easy PVE usability against good design
The navy apoc was VERY easy to fit until now (the variants of the Dominix too) because of its cap bonuses, but now it is nothing short of an Abaddon with rapid fire and tracking bonuses
Sure, that is VERY helpful in PVP, but the ship is kinda too expensive for PVP if you ask me^^

Can there be one exception and his general statement still hold?

Also, can you elaborate on why you think the new CNR is a lot better in PvE?

Navy Mega could use a slightly better cap recharge.

nvm