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Just some ideas the other guy could do while waiting- scan down the rest of the sigs and keep an eye on the hostiles?

After Odyssey scanning will be much faster, so probably not, and anyway he can continue when the hacker starts on the next can.

People (did you accidentally mistake carebears for people?) are always willing to venture into hostile space to do fun stuff. See my post on the previous page explaining the concept of having fun.

I have watched the prototyping vid, and it is interesting. I was not implying that mining should be made actively more interactive - but that interactie mining should be more effective than passive mining. Many suggestions have been made on these, and the old forums, for many MANY years, long before you were developing for CCP - some at the request of previous devs - and many resulting in huge threadnoughts of suggestions.

Personally, my long touted idea was one that would not affect the way mining is currently done (fly to rocks - shoot rocks - profit). But the rocks themselves would constitute different ores, in different percentages, and yield would be dependant on their actual content, and the type of crystal used. This would mean crystal selection could be optomized for any given rock - if so desired - but if all you cared about was the veld in the rocks, you could leave in veld crystals, and that is MOSTLY what you would get returned - or run non crystals, and get a proportional mix or ores in your hold.

Details here: (from - yikes! - 2007 - see, I told you nothing's changed in a LONG time) http://eve-search.com/thread/579110-0/page/3#83

Sweet!

This.

The loot pinata in it's current state is frustrating. Please either adopt the above suggestion or have the containers remain present for a much longer period.

my worry is while this will be "fun" at first ... mainly fun because its at first different and more involved than just watching a module cycle until you see a message saying HEY IT WORKED OPEN THE CONTAINER AND GET YOUR STUFF!!!!

but I do worry that in the end it will just become more of a ughhh here we go again making eve a more time demanding game than it already is. I had a corp mate describe it fairly well tbh in the fact that the lock picking at first in the elder scrolls was fun and exciting to figure out how to do it correctly but then after an extent all you would do is spam auto try or load a mod to get rid of the mini game...


perhaps a compromise would be ideal ... ppl that put time into the mini game get some type of additional reward for completing the mini game and an option to just sit and wait for your skill level dictate how successful hacking you are at an automated attempt. The reward should be enough to consider doing it but not so much that you're forced to do it or get basically nothing.


But again I do worry about so many mini games being brought into eve... there needs to be passive game play to an extent as I don't want to see a mini game for everything that is already passive... PI, Industry, Mining, ect.... Its just to much time to put into an already time demanding game.

Or you get the Skeleton Key.

Suggestions:

I know you've implied the possibilities of conditional spawns in archaeology relic sites but haven't really detailed it. I'm hoping that its something like

(1) If a hack is blown, it calls in drones or pirates (spawns) on a timer dependent on the site difficulty. This makes more sense logically since the idea would be that ancient relics aren't constantly inhabited, but a blown hack sends out a signal that can be intercepted. This makes a combat friend a good idea, but also rewards being in a ship that is less likely to blow the hack. In other words, decisions and trade offs: go for a weak ship less likely to spawn npcs, or a stronger ship capable of fighting them off but more likely to blow the hack. Or two people.

As an added In a PvP environment, I suggest that a blown hack would broadcast a marker that anyone can lock — a systemwide beacon basically. This puts real stakes in not screwing up.

(2) While the virus mini game looks fun, I can imagine it getting pretty repetitive, even if the specific pattern changes per spawn. Part of it is that the patterns seem random and success is more a matter of luck + skillpoints. Giving it a more puzzle approach where the pattern could be logic cracked not only would make it more entertaining but both makes it FEEL more like codebreaking and rewards practice and skill, so that "hacking" in EVE is genuinely a masterable specialty which player actual skill vs soley skillpoints play a role. Many games like Goh, minesweeper etc. can do so while still being procedurally generated (aka don't required a finite number of puzzles to be hand generated).

(3) Along these lines, in the future it would be great if different games were intro'd into a rotation for hacking, and based on learning the system and mastery. One that comes to mind could be turning that weird drone chatter into a code, like if R2-D2's beeps clicks and whistles each had a specific value or number associated with it. Learning this pattern then allows you to "decode" a randomly generated number for a hack. Sure, the sounds corresponding to the values would instantly go up on websites, but it would not matter that much, because the mastery is in learning the audio code to be able to apply it. Visual symbolic codes could be similarly used for a variant.

Mixing up possible minigames when someone goes to codebreak breaks up motony and really demands skill. Simple sites have more predictable/limited numbers of possible minigames, eliminating some of the more complex ones.

Well, if containers were lootable and could be opened elsewhere, it would be possible to log in, hack a container, and log out without even going into space (but then what would be of the content-deprived pivipirs? Won't somebody think of the pivipirs?). Players with a life could even have The Great Hacking Weekend and spend it cracking all those containers in their hangar. Or buy them from Jita, or sell them to Jita if they were terrible hackers.

But in EVE, even mini-games are an awfully time comsuming business...

How the heck do you actually collect the loot? There's no option to open, no option to scoop, tractor beaming doesn't do anything.. it just sits there like 50meters off my ship and pops as I'm watching it unable to interact with the spawned cans in any way.

also.. does hacking every single one of the items gives you the chance to get more loot. or is it just hack 1 and you've hacked them all?