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Is it only me, or does the instantly populated results list feel a little immersion breaking?

I mean, the in-space anom brackets only show after the sensor has finished one "sweep", but the results window already knows everything. Feels very wrong to me and is a huge buff to ceptor pilots.

Noticed the same thing, kind of kills the feeling of discovery.

CSM being composed of nothing but supercorp blocs and, even when they do want to contribute, being derailed by CCP is leading to the death of this game. Just look at how goonswarm plexed their toons for years by using a booster-Loyalty-Point exploit machine. CCP was either in on it or too supid to care. Either way, I'm only playing with one toon now, and if this game doesn't improve by XMas when my subscription expires, this'll be the last New Eden will see of Scuzzy Logic.

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If you've got a problem with CSM being entirely composed of nullsec candidates, then vote. Get your friends to vote. Get your enemies to vote. Get their friends and their enemies to vote.

The only reason nullsec consistently dominates CSM is because most nullsec residents vote and most highsec residents do not. Lowsec residents aren't nearly as numerous as either of the other two, so we'll ignore them for now.
"It's bad ISK/hr to vote" "It's just a publicity stunt" "The CSM doesn't listen to us" "CCP doesn't obey them so why care?" are all.. ahem ..bad excuses.

Blast and damnation! Vote, highsec! Even if it's for a potted plant!
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Returning to a more on-topic note.. please. Miners will continue to mine. It will just happen that the more adventurous ones will make better money (or not, if they aren't paying attention) and the lazy, fat, sloppy ones will continue to make terrible money and be cantankerous self-entitled jerks that nobody can stand to be within 3LY of.

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What I actually came here to say was that it would appear returning probes manually via the "Recall Probes" button actually results in a near-instant (or possibly instant) recall of the probes. So much for the business of "you have to wait for probes to return, so instant recall on jump is immersion-breaking".

Except their cheapo Hobgoblin Is.

No to getting your ISK back.

No to unplugging them.

Everything in EVE is subject to change. You should not log in if you can't handle this fact.

They'll still be useful in letting you scan faster than people who don't have them, just as they always have done.

Whine, moan and cry less.

This started out as an extremely snarky, unhelpful, post, but I decided I'd probably be better off making something more structured.

Auto-Recalling and Teleporting Probes.



I'm going to attempt to sum up why I think just about everything in that quote is a terrible change.

Consequences

EVE is not a game that holds your hand, it is not a game that lets you get away with making mistakes, quite the contrary, making mistakes in EVE often results in you being beaten into the ground. EVE does not prevent you from burning out your modules when you overheat them to dangerous levels, EVE does not turn on your hardeners for you when you begin taking fire, EVE does not prevent you from jumping your Titan into the middle of hostile space instead of creating a bridge for your fleet, EVE does not teleport your drones into your drone bay should you either forget to recall them or are forced to leave without them.

You made that mistake or choice, and you live with the consequences, be it burnt out guns, a destroyed ship, billions in assets lost, or having to buy new drones.

Yet, EVE will now actively step in and prevent you from making the mistake of forgetting your probes by having them teleport into your cargo hold.

This means you will never realise 5 jumps later that you've lost all your probes and have to go buy new ones from someone who either produced them or purchased them from the Sisters of EVE (or both.) This means that you will never go into a wormhole, warp off somewhere and discover you have no probes (somehow people do this,) meaning you have to either make friends with the locals to arrange your safe departure or contact one of EVE's wormhole rescue groups.

By implementing auto-recalling probes on leaving the system, you are not only removing consequences, but removing interactions with other players.

I'm sure some people will say that it's just removing a tedious button click, but it's about as much of a tedious button click as recalling your drones or changing your ammunition to match your engagement range.

All of this can be applied to allowing your probes to expire because you weren't paying attention. Something I myself have actually done, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Immersion.

Probes have warp speeds, when they are deployed into space and sent out to scan for hostiles or signatures or what have you, we wait for them to warp into position before they begin their scan cycle. When we reposition them, we wait for them to warp to their new designated positions.

Why do we have to do this if they apparently posess the ability of teleportation? Of course the answer is that teleporting combat probes would be hidiously imbalanced, but hey, it's there, we know that they warp around. Personally after watching their little dots move around on the star map so many times, I find the teleporting probes as jarring as it would be to have my slow-ass Ogres sitting 80km away from me suddenly teleport into my drone bay because I recalled them or initiated warp. Why did I have to wait for them to fly over there in the first place?!

Forsaken Probes in space

This one isn't so much a problem so much as potential, I had an interesting, if lengthy discussion on twitter some days ago involving a number of people. One of the points raised was that unlike abandoned drones, you can't do anything with abandoned probes in your system. I'd like to see that changed.

I'd like to be able to probe down forgotten probes (or probes left behind for tactical reasons,) and recover them. Waste not, want not, after all.

Or what if I could scan down and hack into probes left in tactical positions by a hostile while he's gone and sabotage them to fly back to his ship and blow up when he reconnects to them? (That's a pie in the sky idea, it's probably not doable, but it'd be pretty damn cool.)

That got me thinking of what about active probes? What if I could probe down active probes and hack them to either shut them down or mess with a hostile probing ship's scanners who is likely sitting somewhere far off cloaked and can't be impeded otherwise.

Probes in space actually have some interesting design posibilities, and I'd hate to see them invalidated because some people find hitting a recall probes button and waiting 2~3 seconds for your probes to return and dock unbearable.

Hope this helps.

I do not want to know whats in space i want to find it. That is what exploring is. I do not want to spent 5 mins chasing cans of garbage, while i get caught by someone who now can find me much easier. Banning ships from high sec sites? seriously? If you want this to be WOW, go for it! After 10 years of playing and Beta testing EVE, I am out...this is garbage...seriously.

Someone know if CCP's Dev answer about T3's banishment from DED 4/10 site ?

Dreaming it's a joke, cause thinking I loose millions SP to skill a now useless ship, and have to spend time in future to skill an other competitive ship for doing what i like to do in this game and so, loosing time again ... is a terribly feeling .

Why don't rebalance site ? it's already hard to run a DED site cause they are lot off other explorer in high sec, and DED site are looting worst item than 1years before.

You're aware that we are many more capsuler in this game, cause you buff up mineral in asteroid belt, but you make exploration less difficult and less rentable ??



We need more thing, more site, more space to explore ! we don't need else change ! this summer expansion is the worst i ever see in this game, cause me for the first time, to think it should be the time to close my 3 account and play an other game .

Eve is great, why searching to kill them in making them a WOW-like difficult gameplay ??

I agree it is too much to remove them from 4/10s as well.
Its like looking at a bush that is growing wild and out of control, you have the hedge clippers in your hands and think I can trim this up and make it better (remove them from 3/10s) but instead you just cut the whole bush out (remove from 4/10s also).

I agree. I understand you want to welcome newer players, however "learning by making mistakes" is one of EVE's magical assets in my oppinion. Not to mention it's not a drastical loss ISK wise when you do forget your probes or they expire.

Additional note to those in the quote. The probe market will change, resulting in lesser profit margins for sister probes. Therefor a lesser intrest for Sisters of EVE missions (Advised by you guys to newer players when they want to get into missioning/combat).