Test Server Feedback

Why don't you introduce adjustable scanning???


Where you can decide how accurate and fast you want the results? I'm thinking mostly towards PVP now.

5 sec scan will give you a quick and rough position, but not very accurate. Deviation would be more then the range of an Arazu with warp disruptors. (No more click button, warp and instapoint before the other have any chance of escape)

20-25 sec scan will give you a highly accurate position on a player controlled ship. Making it possible to warp right on top of it.


This allows for quick re-positioning on the field for fleets, but no longer insta warps on top of each other as soon as they appear on grid.

Hey guys and gals,

just want to chime in to let you know i tested scanning on SiSi today.


My feedback:

- Probed sigs do not stay at 100% anymore, that's bad.
- Cannot copy the list anymore, very bad.
- Contrast ist MUCH too low between selected and unselected state of a list entry in both probe and sig list, can't differetiate.
- Launching 7 probes at once, bad-ass (but makes the scanning even faster, that might not be a good idea for PVP - hey you could always give us an insta-self-updating d-scan instead... just sain').
- Not being able to launch 1 probe, not so much.
- No more deep probes for very large systems, sucks balls (overlay scanner does not show ships and you cannot scan down one with deeps anyway, oh and I am not interested in quite a few sig types...).
- Pressing shift moves only one probe. Ugh. Ahem, before you had to press shift to move them all at once... so guess what i do all the time instead of what I want to do. There are people out there who do not even think about the buttons they have to press anymore. Those are ****** now.
- The formations you added are only viable for sites. We need the same pinpoint formation without the middle probe and a formation that launches only one probe (I agree about the formation in itself, I used the same all the time) so we have at least something for PVP.

Should features:

-Visually warping to the signature-symbol of the overlay scanner.
-Symbols of the overlay to update changes by system scanner.

I realise that much might have been said already and some are being changed soon, but I still wanted to add my voice to that feedback.

You rendered millions of SP moot, and maaaaaaaaaaaaybe we'll get some compensation eventually. True masterpiece, CCP, again fixing things that weren't broken in the first place.

You don't understand. Nu-Dscan will emit a piercing alarm upon the discovery of a new signature, and forcibly bring the client up from the background, so as to better benefit new players. This saves much hassle.

I dont see the issue with this, honestly it is exactly the same ratio (assuming you have 5/5/5/5) as it is now, you essentially are taking two skills with 100% effectiveness and killing one to 0%. So, to compensate, you rob the other skill of half its effectiveness and apply it to the other. Astrimetrics on TQ only effects probe amounts and not scanning amounts. Thus CCP has taken the specialized skills, removed half their bonuses and applied them to a skill that never had bonuses. The ratio stays the same at 10%, it is just spread over two different skills now.

In all honesty, Astrometrics now has meaning again. If you have it trained to level 5 you get 25% to deviation, strength and scan time. If a noob has Astrometrics 1 they only get 5% so you are still being rewarded as a player for having trained it up. The specialized skills require Astrometrics 3 and 4.

So lets assume you dont have Astro 5 and only 4. At this point lets also say you were a good little scanner and trained those specialized skills to ehhh say level 4. Ok, so you get the 5% from astro x 4 giving you 20% to all three areas there; and you are getting 5% from each of the three specialized skills x 4 giving you 20% there. A newer player may only have astro 1 or 2 which gives them only 5-20%. You still get a massive scanning edge over them. Infact it isn't until they reach lvl 3 that they can even train the other two specialized skills. I think 5% is a feasible amount, lowering it 2% and raising the other 3 specialized to 8% IMO depreciates the value of the astrometrics skill

Honestly, reconsider this, please.

Even in the current mechanics, it's just too damn easy to scan down PvE sigs.

I do much of my exploration in an Ishtar with a T1 launcher and standard probes and I can trivially scan down anything I want to find (mostly combat sites).

I don't need a bonused ship. I don't need grav cap rigs. I don't need a T2 or faction launcher, I don't need faction probes, I don't need virtue, and soon, there will be a bunch of new modules I don't need, either.

Oh, sure, I could probably do it *faster* if I had all of those things, but as it is right now, there isn't enough of a reason to make that compromise.

Fixing things that weren't broken in the first place is what the real world likes to call enhancement and progress...to put that into perspective. Google is not broken the way it is...it could sit happily where its at and make a killing, but they are choosing to enhance and expand the company by introducing Google Fibre. Sooo yeah occasionally one must make changes to something not because its broken but because its old. I mean technically I have a computer with 1 gig of ram and running XP. It isn't broken, I can do some pretty nifty stuff on it and it serves me well very functionally, BUT I can also gut it, replace it with better hardware, and get a better performing computer. If I never touched it because it simply was functional...it would never get any better and quite frankly neither would this game.

good job comparing real life applications with a computer game. hinthint: the rules of chess barely changed in the last 500 years and yet somehow it is still popular. oh, and if you think fiber is google's hottest rod in the fire, check again.

but you still cant move 7 pawns at the same time can you?

CCP like any company makes mistakes, look at Incarna, they got their balls kicked, Ody looks at this time capable of delivering the same again unless they listen, throw out their preconceptions and develop the game instead of change it to reflect what they see other companies doing as they all rush for short term cash. If you care about CCP, you personally would want to keep its unique selling points and remember that the game has kudos for its steep learning curve, harshness of consequences, the meta game environment, the inventiveness of the players (which exposes the limitations of a small design team that always wants shiny) and most importantly the SANDBOX that is only limited by the players intellect, thats what keeps people subscribing and draws long term players in (better have 1 man for 5 years than 5 for 1, for long term CCP survival.

i have to hold back right now to avoid comments regarding your intelligence. if only the visuals were affected, there would be no debate whatsoever. we're talking game mechanics, thus the chess example. imagine the chess associations of the world decided that you have to always open with the queen's gambit. what would that do to the game?
the removal of DSPs, the silly instant recall, the barely passable new signature list and all the other 'features' are just that: bad additions to the mechanics, the rules by which EVE is played.