Test Server Feedback

Too many posts for me to check though so sorry if this has already been mentioned.

TLDR: Please remove the progress bar and warp to button and put back columns that can be sorted (using pastel colours).

The scanner list on the current live version is great as it is. I can't see anything with the new list that I would consider to be an improvement.

You have removed the ability to sort by column. This is very useful functionality when dealing with many signals and this has now gone.

You have replaced pastel colours that fit well with the rest of the eve interface with neon colours. Please can you reconsider your use of neon green, red, etc. It just doesn’t fit.

Please put back the % hit column. It's useful to see the exact signal strength after the first "what’s out there scan". Especially when looking for a WH. They tend to have slightly higher hit %'s.

Remove the warp to button. It's a list not a menu. All other lists in eve have context sensitive menu's. This list should be no different.

The progress bar: Well I suppose it's the reason you have removed the columns and the sort option. Your progress bar doesn’t work very well across multiple sortable columns. In my view the progress bar isn't good enough that existing and very useful list based functionality should be ditched in favour of it. Just saying.

Currently i scan this way :
Drop 7 probes, move them into pinpoint formation.
32 au probes in pinpoint formation.
Move center of probes to sigs i want to scan.
Set all probes to 8 AU ,move probes closer together so that it looks like the pinpointformation.
Move center of probes to sig(s) i want to scan.
Set all probes to 2 or 1 au,move probes closer together so that it looks like the pinpointformation.
And that until i found the sig.

Now with the new system it is easier to move the probes to the sig i want to scan. that is good.
There is a button to switch from map/normal view on the scan screen, i like that one also.
Though each time i resize i need to use alt-shift to move them back into position again.
Also why are the probe formations set to 16 au for spread and 4 au for pinpoint formation?
I would rather have just use alt to move probes closer together(less keys to press is very comfortable for users) and/or probe formations follow the current range of the probes when you click it(with the defaults the ones you have now).
The ideal would be change all probe sizes, click formation button, probes form round center probe at that range in that formation.
Not the same distances as the 16au/4au probes but to have the same kind of overlaps.
Each time you scan you need to reselect all the probes to change the range, it used to be that they stayed selected.
Edit:
Correction, can't see if you have selected all the probes or not after you scan .
It looks like all of them are deselected but they are not. If you right click it still shows 7 selected and you give command(change range) to all 7.

Probes don't have a timer anymore is this intentional or is it not showing?

Also don't stop people from launching probes if the have less in the launcher. In theory you only need 3 to 4 probes to scan stuff and if you need to leave(w-space) in a hurry probes tend to get left behind unintenionaly.
If you have only 4 left you can't launch any in this build and thus you can get stuck.
If people that now standard use 4 probes haven't read this before the patch they are already stuck in w-space.
I would sudget that it standard launches 7 probes unless there are less in the probe launcher, then you launch what is in the launcher.


other UI issues :
You can't sort the signature list anymore. If looking for a specific site i used to sort it to be able to find it faster.

You can't resize the columns anymore. Seeing a oresite i need to resize the scan-window to half the screen to be able to read the it was a small hederbergite, jasper and .......... kernite site. And the column wich had the type of site had ore site and a biiiiiiig white space untill the description.

Also warp to button(next to 100% scanned stuff) can be clicked when already there.

Why aren't cosmic anomalies in the d-scan list when entering a system(you need to do a d-scan first)? Sites that aren't on a usual galactic plane will not be easy to spot if this isn't in the release version.
Also if the site is above or below you you won't notice it. Maybe if you put the sensor overlay on, it leaves little symbols on the edge of the screen like the planets do if you turned on the brackets?

Maybe increase the contrast between selected items none selected item it is hard to see sometimes now.

I also can't seem to analyse/hack the new stuff in singularity server, is this normal?(tryed in h-sec).
Sometimes in sites there are ven 3 items all in the same location, only one model to be seen, distances from each other is 0.

If this small issues are resolved(and the list already on the original post) i will be looking forward to Oddesy!!!

I have to constantly hold shift to move a single probe, and when I let go the probe box disappears. This is clearly not what I am asking for, which is to have similar functionality to what is in TQ at the moment.

Being able to move probes as individual units is very important for hunting ships successfully.

As I've already mentioned, in the quoted text above, the new interface helps with scanning systems, but it is clearly not designed for hunting. They are different tasks that require different methods. Linked probes are great for general scanning, unlinked probes are necessary for hunting.

And surely this request shouldn't be difficult to implement, by your own claim. Linked mode has shift being used as a modifier to move probes individually. Toggle a switch, and you get unlinked mode, where all probe boxes are visible and probes are moved individually by default and shift is used as a modifier to move them all together. All the toggle does is use a soft shift-key switch.

I have no doubt that his feature will be used if implemented.

Thank you!!! I wasn't gonna rage quit or anything, but great to see the dialogue between the devs and the players in Eve, I think the level of back and forth is unique in the MMO world.

One possibility is to make the T2 launchers able to fit 8 probes, and T1 only 7. That way new players can still use 7 right away, and dedicated scanners can still train Astrometrics V in order to get 8 probes.

Then you'd have to decide if Sister's launchers also get 8. If not scanners would have to choose between 8 probes or the extra 5% bonus. If yes then it'd be a little easier to get 8 probes than now, but you'd still be motivated to get Astro V for the extra bonus.

Listen player-base, we need to focus here to get them to roll this exploration debacle back.

the drumming message: revert everything; all we want are user defined launch patterns.

focus people...

Unfortunately the skill changes are final :(
We are getting the 8th probe back.
The campaign for DSP to be brought back is still ongoing.
It would be nice to be able to define probe groups that would move together, for example if you like to use two sets of 4 you should be able to set one set of 4 in group one and another set of probes into group 2. If you like to keep a DSP out and scan with 7 probes .

following your logic, it would be even more amazing if you could scan the entire system with one button. if that's where the whole thing is going, let's at least be honest and not call it 'exploration' any more.

What's depressing to me is that I have developed skills over the last 4 years to become an excellent scanner. The way the system is currently allows for player skill to make a difference. Yeah it's a bit clunky at times, but that is part of the challenge. So when I see things removed from the game that allowed for a skilled scanner to out perform a new scanner I question those choices.

Perhaps the new system will offer more options for player skill to develop, but I find that hard to believe based on what was just been given to us. I just listened to Declarations of War podcast and it sounds like it was a high level pitch to get people scanning out PvE and improving opportunities for PvP. Sounds amazing to me too! That's not what I'm seeing, however.

There has been a fundamental misunderstanding how elite scanners probe. It does not involve dropping a DSP and looking at a website or using 7 probes.

Hopefully CCP will offer us something that requires even more player skill to master, but is more accessible.

I am hopeful, but with doubts.

The ONLY way I would support keeping DSPs is if the base signal for all sites were dynamic and not static as they are now. If CCP made those changes then yes, I would support keeping them in, but at the moment there are too many players using it as uber intel

I think it's better for those that have looked at the chnages on SiSi to flog the dead horse now than for thousands to rage post on threadnaughts after these changes have gone live. There have been some epic player backlashes in the past and for me, the changes to the scanner system go against what eve is about and they are also a departure from the current look and feel of the UI which works very well as it is.

I hope CCP seriously consider the forum responses to the scanner and star gate jump changes. A negative view of both of these changes when they are released could tarnish the whole expansion which would be a real shame as there is a lot of great stuff in it.