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DSP - Navigating wormhole space

First, let me explain how you navigate wormhole space with DSP, and then you might understand what an ordeal this is without DSP's.


You have all seen the swift and bitter links by now, and understand that a single DSP is used to let you know the base signature strength of wormholes. This is a HUGE deal when it comes to navigating WH's.

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html

Say your in a Class 5 wormhole, and want to find a connection to other class 5's (or in my case nullsec connections). From the lists at swift and bitter you see that the signatures your looking for has a base strength of 0,20%. So you do one scan, and ignore EVERYTHING that does not have cirka 0,20% on your scan. Suddenly you have ignored about 75% of the signatures that you dont want. The autoscan does not replace this as it just lets you know its a wormhole, and not which class the wormhole is.

Now here is the kicker Some wormholes have up to 30 signatures in them, if not more!! It's soul crushing to go through all of them. I dont know if there is a max amount of connections a single wormhole can have, but I'm fairly sure I have had upwards to 10 in some. And those were desired conncetions, so its not even counting those wormhole signatures I 'ignored'.

So by just looking at the signature strength of a signature you can deduce alot of information, if you have the knowledge (or link to that knowledge, lol). This also removes a huge amount of time spent scanning down signatures to see if its what you want, repeatedly. Removing this is like taking the colour out of a painting.

All of This is just a part of what makes exploration a very deep proffesion to get into. Its very rewarding once its mastered and developed into a talent. Pilots with the knowledge and the know how are a huge asset to fleets and groups of players. The removal of the signature strength, DSP and other changes people have brought up, takes away a depth to exploration that the dev team does not seem to realize. So I quote again:





You have missed the point of DSP's CCP Tallest. Perhaps that was the orignal intent, but they have developed into something far more.

The fix is a matter of slapping on a number with signature strength on those shiny bars and letting us have our DSP's. Those who wants to grow as an explorer will find its uses.

This.......... all of it.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention:

I did NOT train Astrometics V for 15 days just to get some extra scan strength/deviation whatever.
I want my DSP BACK, NOW!

Probably removed, that might explain probe recovery on system jump/dock.

Still trying to figure out what is going to happen with industry upgrade ore sites. I couldn't find any systems with an industry upgrade to test out how that would work. I did however find a wh and the grav belt showed up as a combat anomaly, which I just warped to without probes.

I'm assuming that you go into a system and the system scanner will find the grav sites including industry upgrade belts. This isn't going to be really a great idea imo. Sure, more conflict, yadi yada...but combat pilots are not always present to defend a system. Furthermore, hotdroppers will have a field day with this. It'll effectively stunt mining in a noticable way. Maybe this is intended, maybe not. In wormholes, that will kill mining there in a big way. Is that intended?

In any case, I would be ok with this change if standard static belts were changed to anomolies that require scanning down as well. That way anyone that comes into a system will have to sort through several belts (or randomly checking one) to find someone. This still basically forces people to mine in macks (no more jetcanning) but it would at least provide a bit more protection to what seems to be right now a very one sided system coming. Either that or expect more gates to be bubbled up the wazzu all over the place. Is that intended?

Finally, someone did mention that exploration should be about finding riches, etc. Sure maybe a industry upgrade belt is so common now that it's not really special. But what about ark and bistot deposits? While I know that in highsec people complain about this but isn't that what exploration is supposed to be about? If I find an ark and bistot deposit in null and we are in a crappy mining system, it's something we stop what we are doing and go mine it out. At a minimum, can't we get that to be something we have to scan down?

All of these changes seem to be really a blanket change and I feel like it could be a lot more dynamic and interesting than it's turning out so far.

It's clear that CCP doesn't understand the use of the DSPs, but it's even clearer that they just don't give a damn and are going to ignore legitimate user feedback from those that know their system more intimately than they do.

Maybe won't make it into the current expansion, but you could always give the players the ability to save their own formations. They deploy the probes and position them how they desire and then "Save As" so that they can easily launch their preferred formation at will.

On a side note: Anyone know if the scanning modules follow the typical stacking penalty formulas? Their description implies that they do, but I don't want to assume.

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Most people, well the flexibility of the current system has distinct advantages over the cookie cutter approach fit only for rookie storyline mission arcs.

Daily people run several systems, drop one probe see how many sites exist, they then find them, they bookmark results they find but will ignore and do the sites that interest them without making bookmarks and move on. Later the same day or the day after (or even day after), they will re enter the system, and warp to those ignored book marks and drop a probe if the site is there (or delete bookmark if not) so they can be eliminated from the new results. Then as all signatures are within 4AU of a planet a simple 8AU scan size hits every thing in that's planets sphere, this reduces the time taken to cover a system by removing areas of no interest. This will not be possible now unless you make launchers have a single probe launch function.

Also with level V skills, experience and decent equipment, the options you have as to probe deployment can vary greatly depending on where in the universe you are, just dropping 8 probes at once just screams i cant be arsed to play a game and think, i need a quick i win button/option.

Good, I have used only 4 probes for 5 years.

What about 'unscannable' ships.
Before the patch some specially fitted ships required the Virtue Set to be scanned. Looks like the Virtues are not needed anymore?