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[Odyssey] Tech 1 Battleships - Minmatar

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BABARR
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#41 - 2013-04-08 16:39:51 UTC
Tempest still need love.
7 gun (+1) remove a mid for a low to make a real gunboat like huricane or rupy, could be a good idea.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-04-08 16:43:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
So eerm. The typhoon. Capless weapons, utility neut, extra meds for target painters and webs so it can hit ships of all sizes and a capless armour tank? Did you think about that perhaps being a tiny wee bit overpowered?

EDIT: Also why have you increased the cap given the reduced cap it will need and the greater ability it will have to fit cap boosters? Really? It's powerful enough already, I can see only a gang fit with ECM or overwhelming numbers taking one of those down What?

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Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#43 - 2013-04-08 16:43:26 UTC
BABARR wrote:
Tempest still need love.
7 gun (+1) remove a mid for a low to make a real gunboat like huricane or rupy, could be a good idea.


Please consider doing this given what is happening to the Mega.
Jack Mancetti
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-04-08 16:49:27 UTC
Thx to put in another Caldari boat in the proud Minmatar fleet,after cyclone now the phoon , it's a shame this times to be a Minmatar Pilot Sad

Thx to CCP which permit such a change in the ship storyline from matar
- steal us a turret point on the Nagl as Minmatar would have no more resources for more
- steal us the turrets on the old Cyclone ship and stick us this wretched Caldari launcher in our ship
- steal us our last bastion aginst low skill pilots and move the proud phoon into the Caldari ship series.

What's next,give us a Amaar hooded sweater or the strange Navy Caldari parting in our hair Roll

There's a bad summer for Mataris!

Mancetti
BarryBonez
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-04-08 16:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: BarryBonez
Too bad all of these ships are currently cost-prohibitive to me. I would like a +5% increase per level to insurance payout or -5% decrease in cost per level bonus on each one as well.

Also, it might be too OP or not viable, but how about a dedicated fleet ship. i.e. a bonus to remote reps received or given. We need more hulls Pirate
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2013-04-08 16:57:08 UTC
BarryBonez wrote:
Too bad all of these ships are currently cost-prohibitive to me. I would like a +5% increase per level to insurance payout or -5% decrease in cost per level bonus on each one as well.

Also, it might be too OP or not viable, but how about a dedicated fleet ship. i.e. a bonus to remote reps received or given. We need more hulls Pirate


Mate, you live in nullsec. Go run some hubs and you'll be able to afford one in a couple of hours tops.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#47 - 2013-04-08 17:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
CCP Rise wrote:
...
Tempest +60 sig radius
Typhoon +30 sig radius


I'm curious how you justify nerfing the Tempest and Typhoon that hard?

-Liang

Ed: Also, the new Typhoon 100% obsoletes the old Raven for mission running. Not that I ever run missions, but it's still something worth considering. :)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Randy Wray
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#48 - 2013-04-08 17:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Randy Wray
BABARR wrote:
Tempest still need love.
7 gun (+1) remove a mid for a low to make a real gunboat like huricane or rupy, could be a good idea.

Minding that the dps of most other battleships is pretty crappy too Im a bigger fan of another low, remember you can fit a gyro in that low increasing your dps almost as much as another gun at least on armor fits.

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Randy Wray
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#49 - 2013-04-08 17:06:54 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
BarryBonez wrote:
Too bad all of these ships are currently cost-prohibitive to me. I would like a +5% increase per level to insurance payout or -5% decrease in cost per level bonus on each one as well.

Also, it might be too OP or not viable, but how about a dedicated fleet ship. i.e. a bonus to remote reps received or given. We need more hulls Pirate


Mate, you live in nullsec. Go run some hubs and you'll be able to afford one in a couple of hours tops.

Actually highsec lvl 4s are on par with hubs

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Vibramycin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-04-08 17:10:52 UTC
Perhaps this has been covered 100x elsewhere, but what's wrong with giving ships with split weapon systems 3 bonuses?

Eg, take the classic versatile-but-hard-to-skill 'phoon and give it +ROF to torp/cruise, +ROF to large projectile, and add say a +agility (heh, or something better) as a third bonus.

If that looks like too much of a bittervet bonus (cuz need to skill two large weapon systems), drop a high.

Aren't split weapons bad (mostly) because they chew up both bonuses?

Seems like they can be a lot of fun and aren't intrinsically evil.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#51 - 2013-04-08 17:14:45 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
...
Tempest +60 sig radius
Typhoon +30 sig radius


I'm curious how you justify nerfing the Tempest and Typhoon that hard?

-Liang

Ed: Also, the new Typhoon 100% obsoletes the old Raven for mission running. Not that I ever run missions, but it's still something worth considering. :)



This. Minmatar ships are supposed to be smaller then the sig resolution of same class weapons. Thi seems to be getting thrown out as we go along.
Farrell Jay
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2013-04-08 17:17:49 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
So eerm. The typhoon. Capless weapons, utility neut, extra meds for target painters and webs so it can hit ships of all sizes and a capless armour tank? Did you think about that perhaps being a tiny wee bit overpowered?

EDIT: Also why have you increased the cap given the reduced cap it will need and the greater ability it will have to fit cap boosters? Really? It's powerful enough already, I can see only a gang fit with ECM or overwhelming numbers taking one of those down What?


I think you're grossly overstating how effective cruise missiles and torps really are. I guess we'll see how useful the Phoon will be after the apparent second look at torps/cruise.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#53 - 2013-04-08 17:21:54 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:

This. Minmatar ships are supposed to be smaller then the sig resolution of same class weapons. Thi seems to be getting thrown out as we go along.


That is a huge part of why the Tempest has been "such a survivor", IMO. That nerf is just... amazingly harsh.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#54 - 2013-04-08 17:22:18 UTC
SICK! that typhoon now its a better cruise missile ship than an actual raven, and a NASTY torpedo boat! love it!
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#55 - 2013-04-08 17:22:31 UTC
Jack Mancetti wrote:
Thx to put in another Caldari boat in the proud Minmatar fleet,after cyclone now the phoon , it's a shame this times to be a Minmatar Pilot Sad

Thx to CCP which permit such a change in the ship storyline from matar
- steal us a turret point on the Nagl as Minmatar would have no more resources for more
- steal us the turrets on the old Cyclone ship and stick us this wretched Caldari launcher in our ship
- steal us our last bastion aginst low skill pilots and move the proud phoon into the Caldari ship series.

What's next,give us a Amaar hooded sweater or the strange Navy Caldari parting in our hair Roll

There's a bad summer for Mataris!

Mancetti


QFT

Sarcsam on: what is wrong with you do you expect caldari pilots to actually train for guns if they want to fly phoon you do understand that that require time and skills,what about F1 do yo understand how hard that is!!do you do you !!

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Shaana Mistique
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2013-04-08 17:37:39 UTC
I dont want ****** missiles on my phoon !! :((
BABARR
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#57 - 2013-04-08 17:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: BABARR
Krell Kroenen wrote:
BABARR wrote:
Tempest still need love.
7 gun (+1) remove a mid for a low to make a real gunboat like huricane or rupy, could be a good idea.


Please consider doing this given what is happening to the Mega.


The mega is now designed to become a shield/DPS big boat, like a big talos. Maybe not a great idea, but i'am ont his thread to speak about minmatar boat, and when i see the epic new typhoon, i find the tempest more crap than before, and god, it was already crap. So making it a REAL gunboat armor, (maybe whith short powergrid or cpu to not be able to fit bigger gun too easy, or very small drone bay for the balance) could be a good idea.
Callic Veratar
#58 - 2013-04-08 17:40:35 UTC
Shaana Mistique wrote:
I dont want ****** missiles on my phoon !! :((


Then what are you fitting on it now?
Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-04-08 17:48:37 UTC
These changes sound fine. Ridiculous drone bay on the typhoon was very weird lol.

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Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#60 - 2013-04-08 17:50:59 UTC
Proposal.

7 low slot Tempest. Any supporterS?

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