Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I realized I was only looking at it from my empire perspective and small-gang pvp and therefor I had not a full picture. I have not concerned myself for 0.0 life and what fleet doctrines the alliances use for years, but why would you use Rohks over Nagas? Won't the cost of one Rohk cover the cost of 2 Nagas?

I hardly ever see Rokhs being used in empire, if I do they are usually flown by a newb. As for Nagas, I see them being used, even if people seem to have a preference for the Tornado.

That link Gypsio posted is helpful, I will take a look at individual Rohk killmails, I bet they all will be fleet-fitted. By the way Malcanis, with what numbers do you define Medium and large fleet pvp? 50-100, 200-500? Not slagging you for being a fleet-guy, I just wanna know.

Pretty much. Naga has a significant DPS advantage over the other ABCs around 80-120 km or so, depending on fits ofc, with the option of better tracking close up because of TCs. In exchange for this firepower, it's slower and fatter than the other ABCs, but in fleet its ability to project damage outweighs this. All of the ABCs are popular, they're actually quite well balanced among themselves, although I struggle to to see how attack BS will fit in with ABCs around.

Fleet Rokh is also rail fit (ofc). Its resist bonus meshes well with shield logis' instant shield rep and the optimal bonus and high base lock range lets it project damage out to the 150 km soft cap.

You might regard "fleet" as a bit niche and ask for greater utility in other environments, and it's not an argument without merit. But the general Caldari theme of trading mobility for force projection has always been one that's best suited to the fleet scale, so it should be expected that the Naga and Rokh see most use there.

Shhhhhh dont talk about reducing damage...CCP will make them hit a slight better, reduce base damage by like 50%.. call it fixed and then not look at the mistake for another 6 years.

Raven needs that extra mid for flixibility but with the cruise damage buff. Raven will become omni damage dealing monster. Which raw dps can pierce any BS hull tank when the damage is aimed right. Raven can become such OP ***** as drake has been not through tank but DPS. Don't forget that launcher system DPS should be less than other weapon systems because they can precisely aim to weakest resistance. When lasers are forced to deal EM/thermal, hybrids Kinetic/thermal, projectiles any/kinetic/explosive. Launchers is the only weapon system that can deal all damage types cleanly without 2ndary or more damage types, even with T2 ammos. Making you able to pinpoint precisely the weakest resistance and poke your opponent to death from the backdoor.

You risk making Caldari even more popular with these changes as they already are. Please reconsider the cruise changes.

Well, it took 27 pages, but we finally found someone who thinks that cruise is fine as it is.

LOL at the Changes!!!! Caldari is a joke in every aspect of PvP.

We can't look at raw damage in isolation, we have to consider its application, the qualities of the host platform and the likely combat environments. While comparisons between application of missile and turret damage are notoriously difficult, artillery, tachyons and rails can also deliver broadly similar raw DPS around the important 50-100 km window, with all forms needing tackle/ewar to reliably apply DPS to, and keep range on, a typical mixed gang of frigates, cruisers and BCs.

But it's the last point worries me the most, because as far as I can tell, the ABCs are still going to be better at being large-weapon-armed skirmish platforms than the attack BS, because of the magnitude of their mobility advantages. This could conceivably lead to the odd situation where cruise is simultaneously overpowered (relative to turrets on other attack BS) yet unused (if ABCs end up being better than attack BS at being attack BS).

a little lacking is an understatement .. 50% mwd cap reduction could work .. that and mwds need work too many penalties.
Armour attack battleships especially don't work.... the shield ones don't work so what chance do they have.
And ofc the ABC's kill any real chance these have with vastly superior mobility and still have similar dps... for half the price

Oh right! Sorry my bad, engineering background showing...

Yea! CCP thanks for screwing over Caldari pilots yet again! May I suggest that you send the Devs to Nepal. While in Nepal they need to learn proper meditation. Maybe if they learn to balance themselves, they might be better at balancing ships in Eve. Just a thought.

Anyway, I very strongly request that you reconsider the 'balancing' done to these BS. As so far communicated clearly in the threads. No, I am not going to summarize for you...We pay you to do your jobs properly which includes reading the feedback threads. Furthermore, it is about 1:30 in the morning for me so, not going to stay up for 30 min to write you (CCP) a summary.

Now it might be possible but you gonna have to pay me: $200 please!

*Note: I am not responsible for any feelings from reading the remarks. As I am under sugar-influence at the present time and thus extremely hyperactive.*

The fact that a Naga can out damage a rokh is hilarious and the rokh is just sitting sadly in the deep dark corners of a station hangar.