Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think it's a problem that will be solved by simply throwing more DPS at the Raven. Attack BS need to be more different to ABCs, atm they're trying to do similar things, and yet mobility is so important in that role that the massive mobility advantage of the ABCs outweighs concerns of actual tank. And while more EHP for attack BS would be useful, they would then start to intrude on to combat BS and everything gets a bit messy.

The answer might lie more in cutting ABCs down more - less tracking, fatter sig, maybe less speed but certainly less agility. This will also help create gamespace in which HACs can live in.

I found Everquest 1 to be a decent game. WoW on the other hand made me want to /wrist.

OMG, I am just totally and utterly offended and destroyed

I completely agree with you. I started this game years ago seeing caldari lore and with shield and missiles systems. It tickled my military and nerdy trekkie side and I was hooked.

Though over the years, it has become a little depressing for caldari, and some good things have come along too.

I eventually sold of my Caldari pilot and fly Gallente and Amarr with a little bit of caldari in the mix on this pilot.

Though I still remain a fan and supporter of Caldari.

I think the real problem the Rokh has at this time is that the niche it filled (150km+ sniper) is dead because of in-combat scanning and warp-ins. It's not agile enough to attempt this anyway as a skirmisher (unlike the ABCs), and in the 60-100km range there are many other ships that are as good or better. In large fleets being a shield ship has issue too, the "OMG armour sucks!" crew notwithstanding, if only because the shield carriers simply don't compete with Archons.

If they did that the Rokh would 1) have an awful tank and/or no utility at all, and 2) would do way too much DPS. Unless you meant swapping the range bonus for a DPS raw bonus. This would probably cause the Rokh to completely eclipse the Apoc.

why does it say the scorpion's scan resolution is 110, in game (and on duality where you've updated it), its 75.

Can you please change it to 110 if you are going to say 110 on this topic? The scorp has the stupidest scan res. 75 is way too low for a battleship.

while I can understand changes such as -resistance to Rokh, I still don't get entire idea of attack battleships - we already have enough ships that fill 'attack' role and forcing battleships into it seems... wrong - does anyone really need or want attack battlecruiser with lower dps, much worse mobility and (somewhat) better tank? Not sure about it

and personally, I think that raven's role still needs rethinking - what is it supposed to be? med range torpedo boat? Unless torps are looked into, it still won't have enough range or damage application to be of much use and tornado will outperform it as torp boat due to better damage application. Cruise missile sniper? Contradicts idea of attack battleship and rokh will likely outlast, outgun and outperform it in long range combat role. Cannot really find third use of it

Imo, either given raven double range bonuses so it can reach decent range with torps - it would make it fairly unique ship due to ability to hit 50k+ with torps or just give it double damage or double damage application bonuses and make it proper 'attack battleship' due to (excellent) damage application with missiles, hybrid of these two just doesn't work; in any case, extra launcher or -1 launcher and 10% / lvl damage bonus would go long way in giving it bit more bang for its buck

As for rest of them, Rokh is rokh, I doubt that few % of resistances will make it or break it and scorpion, hm... it really should have higher ECM strength then ECM cruisers or significantly stronger tank (personally would favor higher ECM bonuses)

Nagas and Rokhs are both fantastic for medium and large fleet PvP respectively.

Thats an issue we have now with cruise and torps, which is why they arent used for pvp. Every other BS weapon does not need painters,webs to apply full damage.

While at the same time, they hit instantly and missiles have a delay. Once a sig radius gets to a certain point, the damage is reduced on missiles even if the ship stands still.

Then missile ships are forced to throw rigs to make them viable as well. God forbid if we ask to be able to use T2 ammo.

Rage and Fury cant hit the broad side of a moon without painters. If the starts to move, the damage is reduced.

So factor in sig radius,movement which reduces the damage of them by a huge margin and now you know why you dont see them in pvp.
They are garbage. Paper dps and actual applied dps for missiles is a huge difference. Torps look great on paper and will give you an epeen inflation all up to the point you actually try to use them. Then your damage is so ridiculously reduced that battle cruisers will out damage you.

So rage has no use for anything but pos or cap ships that are standing still, while every other race's Battleships can use T2 ammo on battleships.
Fury can be used if you have painters and webs.

One heck of a trade off isnt it? Multiple painters and webs along with rigs to use your weapons while others do not.

Which drastically removes from the tank, hence why the raven is not used. Lets not get started on the scorp either.
Thats a mess as well, though atleast it can bring ECM to the fight