Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In fact its affected by constantly rememberign them with good argumentation. Just hammering whines doe snto ahve much effect.

Amarr BS with beams was my first lvl4 mission. It was terrible fit, and still it was easy enough despite my terrible skills.

Please, leave the noob argument out of this discussion, because it's irrelevant and only prove either your lack of knowledge or your hypocrisy.

Math has nothing to do with preferences! ITs absolute. Pvp has definitive consequences on 5% differences... PVE has MINOR differences.

Only someone very very very limited mindset cannto see that.

PVE balance can only be done when it will not neutralize PVP.

That has always and I woudl bet will aALWAYS be the focus of balance in eve. IF you want somethign else, you are very likely in the wrong game.


LEvel 4's do not even need a good battleship or even good skilsl to run. You just need those to increase your income from 30m per hour to 50 m per hour. And know what? you shoudl go rat in 0.0 if you want to increase your income.. not spoil the focus of the game.

No one is arguing for changes that will disrupt PvP for the sake of PvE. Your argument can not be used as a strawman to squash all PvE-related change proposals. We are asking CCP why giving Amarr a bonus to cap at the BS-level will be game breaking even though at all other ship levels they receive on the order of 70% bonus to cap and regen. Is it PvP game breaking at those levels?

This.
Noone in ccp cares about amarr, be it lasers or hulls. They all fly galente and minmatar and it perfectly reflects changes in balance.
Caldari race has the same problem - it is considered noobrace/carebear race by ccp. Do you remember when one dev said that caldari ships arent meant to fit mwd? And now "our" csm delegate literally says "we decided to give caldari an easymode ship that doesnt reward any piloting effort and give minmatar hardmode ship that benefits from piloting effort and experience."


What an achievement! Well not so much, considering you could do that mission in mwd frig - and get better isk/h...

Anyway, I dont think the mission where rats slowly spawn group by group is the challenge for your "uber fit", so I encourage you to do sansha blockade to prove its worthiness.
Just so you have some inspiration - oddysey raven with 4 faction bcus, 3 slot faction/deadspace tank, 1 cap mod, no missile damage implants and "all l5s" except spec, did sansha blockade in 15 minutes (full clearing). I expect vanilla phoon do it even faster and fleet phoon was good 2-3 minutes faster than raven.
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Frankly Sansha blockade is more chalenge then Blood raider's one. Heavy TD from elite cruisers causes to maneurable combat, when your capasitor goes to AB or MWD.
Have no idea about your debate, just saying :)

You really fail at logic : either you completed the mission and you proved it's doable in an amarr ship, or you didn't and you proved you are a clueless noob (because if a noob like me can do it, everybody should be able to do it, unless I'm very good at this game).

I seen Lugalzagezi666 backpaddeling since a couple of pages, from lasers are useless for pve, to lasers are sub par, to lasers are not competitive with high end stuff to now missiles own anything under the sun(kind of hilarious when I look at my 10M sp in missiles, and know how defender and lost volley mechanics reduce theoretical performance to less impressive levels).

I flown blockade missions for years(blood, sansha, angels, serpentis). I also explained why Lugalzagezi can't do it and I can. Because he isn't close to the spawning location, as you might have seen my fitting 4 volleyed elite cruisers at 30km under double TD and I exploited drone agro a bit to lift the triple TD from the frigs. Blood Blockade can be actually quite a bit more challenging, since trigger BS can also be neut BS, limiting you to nearly zero repping during a hole wave, this is why the massive buffer of the abaddon is actually quite handy, you can delay reps to time frames where you have the cap for it.

As for engaging the big spawns at 50-60km, it is possible with microwave and standard with T1 guns while using the AB, but you need to have the armor high enough to suspend reping, similar to what I shown in the movie while moving towards the gate.

I think you should try recon 1/3 yourself to decide how hard it really is and compare it to how effortlessly it was presented in the movie. The mission can throw up to 1k DPS at you in the first pocket if you can't punch down TD cruisers quick and take down the 800k-1.2M BS at 20-50km in a couple of volleys. It can fairly easy cap nuke you in the 2. pocket(I didn't do any kind of repping till I was sure not being stuck under the TD wall while under neuts) because you will be in a lot of trouble against up to 7 TDs and 4 neuts while being scrammed. What was shown, was how it is done properly in a amarr BS and blockade looks just the same if I do this(I flown missions for years).

Like I posted a few pages ago, the movies I make don't look so easy because they are so easy, the look so easy because a lot of experience, analysis and play testing went into them. That is also the reason why the hulls and fittings work perfectly fine for me while others might run into major issues.

While I find burden of truth games funny, I would like to reverse it. Anyone that have massive issues with amarr hulls should make a vid, and if it is not total terrible, I might point out where the major mistakes are and what could be done to improve the performance.

Till then I like to summarize:

1. New players have it harder with amarr. A bit, but they don't utilize T2 guns and T2 ammo and with the right fitting(what is not fitting the hulls full of cap mods), use of med range faction ammo and the will to learn and improve, cap use is actually quite hand able, while for more advanced players it creates the opportunity to trade cap for dps and the other way around, as they see fit.

2. Amarr hulls can't do pve. Wat?

3. Amarr hulls are bad at PVE, based on horrible fittings and bad game play. That is completely the fault of the people that fit her hulls in this way and are not able to think about a way around the mechanics.

4. Amarr hulls are not competitive in PVE. Wrong again, they deal damn good DPS at high ranges, can be quick with missions and yield good ISK\h.

5. XYZ is simply better. Then skill xyz! Seriously I flown it all and the grass is a lot less greener once you are on the other side.

The problem is that you lose a lot of time, cap for abing and range(what means dps) if you move away. In my experience, if you try to stick close to the BS spawn you be quicker(higher dps on the target) and lose less cap(because you don't use the AB and kill the rest quicker, saving cap on rep cycles you need after the wave and reducing the time frame till you can kill the neut BS to a minimum). For me, I take the neut, buffer the damage in the meantime and try to blow up the rest quick, however it might depend a bit on the fitting what the better solution would be.

I agree that the Abaddon and Paladin are very good hulls, the later one actually makes TD and neuting a lot less of a issue in a Tach setup. Angels are not so bad, painters don't hurt and the high tracking of puls plus the extra explosive resits make amarr hulls actually not to bad against them. In my option everything but guristas is not a big deal(mostly because of ecm, the high range and EM resistance are also quite painful).

New pilots will handle lvl4 just fine, exactly as I did, unless I am pro pveer or super intelligent (I doubt it).

Not to mention that they will have a lot of skills into amarr ships by the time they reach lvl4, and that they still can hop into the Armageddon for lazy mission running.

Don't forget that pulse have insane advantages for missions running, like the godlike dps at range and insta swapping infinite ammo. Amarr are the only one able to shoot that far with short range weapons, which are a lot more practical to fit and use than LR weapons.