Skill Discussions

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And so do those kills...

You can be very successful at PvP if you use your brain before engaging. That's what those kills are about, where a cheap fit, t1 frigate that typically didn't have t2 modules was able to destroy t2 fit t2 frigs using tactics. SP's were irrelevant to the outcome of most of those fights.

OP needs to join FW or Brave Newbies.

I've only been around for about 6 months, but I've had fun the entire time. There is no reason for your skill points to hold you back from getting into pvp. I've been a part of killing everything from frigates to capital ships and I've lost my fair share of ships as well.

Hell, in my first month I even got in on a loki kill http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15378710

Eve is an MMO. If you want to get the most out of it, you have to join a corp. I was lucky enough to get picked up by a great bunch of guys who showed me that I could enjoy those huge ship battles i'd been dreaming about even without having a 20mil skillpoint character. Want to beat veterans? SPECIALIZE. That's all ya gotta do.

Step 1) Pick a ship you love, preferably battlecruiser or below
Step 2) Train up the specific skills that will make that ship more effective(hint: the recommended skills part of the ship info is helpful for this)
Step 3) PvP with this ship and lose it many times. Learn at least one thing each time you lose. Put it into practice the next time
Step 4) Start winning.

this is a good resource http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.com/2011/02/plan-or-how-to-learn-to-solo-pvp-in-new.html

If you have done all of this and you still cant enjoy yourself, try a new profession. Maybe incursions or production are more your thing. For this entire thread, people have been nothing but helpful to you. Sure, some people express it in a slightly more angry way than others, but they have offered you tons of advice which your are either to ignorant or stubborn to accept. It always surprises me just how helpful this community is, even if they don't want to admit it. So stop snubbing your nose at their advice and try some of the ideas suggested. Otherwise GTFO. This community does not need you.

Oh boy, this thread. This isn't a game about instant gratification.

I agree with this.
Also reading your OP it seems to me you are planning to far ahead without thinking of setting out a set of small goals/steps to reach this 1.5 year place you seem to want to be at. Tip for news players to EVE is to specalize in a couple things. For example assault ships and standard cruisers. Take you about 6 months tops to get really efficient with them imo.
Doing this will quickly bridge the gap between you and a 6 your old player of EVE. Why? because there is a finite amount of skills that can be brought to effect any one ship or POS or BPO or Production thing you want to do. Just because a 6 your old characture has a bunch more skills in science or armor than you counts for nothing if bothe of you are attacking each other in a shield/missile caracal that you have specialized in.

Because we all were not new players at some point lol.
Just think about the tears if they still had learning skills hahaha.

I have no idea where you got this from. Effective at what? Building battleships and blitzing incursions? I trained up to a T2 tengu in about my first three months and could solo L4s, C1s, C2s and could join incursion runs. Then I got bored of highsec and moved to low, where I greatly enjoyed running a SB for fights and scouting. My second char got on a carrier kill when she was three weeks old because she lit the cyno, admittedly died and reshipped, but came back in a t1 Rifter for the glory...

Make friends, join a corp. Low SP will prevent some activities, yes, but you have to work your way up just like everyone else. The game would be boring if you could fly a Nyx two months in, and then you'd probably cry when you lost your $900 ship to a small gang because you didn't know what the **** you were doing.

Well I am new and recently joined the game, but I guess I read enough to know that big ships are off the menu for a long time.

I'm thrilled to find out about the stuff I can do as a new player, although I haven't found a corp to settle in with yet, but I will admit that it isn't the easiest thing to get information about. From what I have read and experienced so far the bulk of what's written in guide format takes for granted a lot of skillpoints and in many cases a second account. That isn't to say all of it is that way or that there are no work-around, but yeah; if you only take a cursory glance at what's hot in the game then you might easily come to the conclusion that you are excluded until you have been training for many months.

I guess at this point I must conclude, personally, that skills don't feel gamebreaking. I found out where I can fight in a cheap frigate without much problem and I am slowly learning about places where I can earn some income to recoup those losses. The fact that none of my actions impacts how fast I train honestly feels like a perk. It's very refreshing coming from other games where they have engineered a constant treadmill you feel obligated to get on each day in order to catch up. In EVE I don't feel like I am catching up. I'm simply joining in on the action.

So you mean that flying a very specific and specialized role such as 100km+ sentry drone sniper requires specialized fittings and training focused in that area? Incredible.