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Stealth change: all NPC prices went up

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#41 - 2013-03-01 12:24:06 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
It's intentional. And if you look closely you'll see that it's not as simple as all prices being raised, some have been lowered.

There had previously been a small variance applied to the NPC prices, that variance has been removed from skillbooks and blueprints.


thanks for the response.

can we safely assume that all future changes (where possible) that effect the EvE economy will be done in a stealth fashion?

I ask because this has never previously been your way of operating and as such is a major change of direction.


Messaging will be on a case by case basis.

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iskflakes
#42 - 2013-03-01 12:42:51 UTC
Can you be more specific about exactly what got changed?

1) Are prices overall reduced or increased?
2) Are NPC buy orders affected?
3) How large was the change as a percentage?
4) What was the motivation for this?

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Othran
Route One
#43 - 2013-03-01 13:17:28 UTC
I was under the impression that npc orders were always variable depending on volumes traded.

Looks like CCP took the training wheels off on some items.
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-03-01 13:58:02 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Can you be more specific about exactly what got changed?

1) Are prices overall reduced or increased?
2) Are NPC buy orders affected?
3) How large was the change as a percentage?
4) What was the motivation for this?


good luck getting answers for that.
flakeys
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-03-01 15:05:42 UTC
Interesting , gotta check new npc prices this week for capital ship bpo's.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Lukas d'Ammold
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-03-01 16:37:34 UTC
I've been looking at the numbers for this latest change in NPC skillbook and BPO prices.

If we look at the Warhead Upgrades skillbook, it used to have a standard price in NPC stations of 900,000 ISK. This might increase slightly based on the trading volume in the different stations of a Region.

Since the change CCP implemented, the prices which I just checked vary between 957,464.91 ISK in Kisogo and 999,997.93 in Edmalbrurdus.

The Base Price for this skillbook in the Item Database is 1,000,000.00 ISK.

After looking at other item prices, it looks to me like the Base Price in the Item Database might be the new Maximum Price for NPC Sell orders.

I'm guessing but perhaps the new prices will vary somewhere between the pre change price of 900,000 ISK and 1,000,000 ISK for the Warhead Upgrades skillbook, depending on the trading volume.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#47 - 2013-03-01 16:43:41 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Players drive the economy - whines prices are too high.
CCP changes economy - whines prices are too high.
Nothing changes at all - whines prices are too high.

Patterns. It doesnt take Rainman to recognize them.


Sums it up ;) Cool

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#48 - 2013-03-01 17:00:21 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Players drive the economy - whines prices are too high.
CCP changes economy - whines prices are too high.
Nothing changes at all - whines prices are too high.

Patterns. It doesnt take Rainman to recognize them.

You forget about manufacturers, who will always whine that prices are to low.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Lord Fudo
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-03-01 18:10:10 UTC
Carrier books went up in price. Glad I bought mine when it was 450, niw they're 470+. 20m big deal but still an increase.
Rutger Janssen
Chanuur
The Initiative.
#50 - 2013-03-01 18:33:12 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Rellik B00n wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
It's intentional. And if you look closely you'll see that it's not as simple as all prices being raised, some have been lowered.

There had previously been a small variance applied to the NPC prices, that variance has been removed from skillbooks and blueprints.


thanks for the response.

can we safely assume that all future changes (where possible) that effect the EvE economy will be done in a stealth fashion?

I ask because this has never previously been your way of operating and as such is a major change of direction.


Messaging will be on a case by case basis.


Thank you for your information. I'm sorry that I didn't look for the price of every item before saying that all prices went up.

Can you in the future have the patch notes atleast reflect any large change that you make AFTER the patch was applied? That way threads like this in the future can be avoided.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#51 - 2013-03-01 19:17:55 UTC
Lotta whinge about nuthin'

If you go to the store and the prices change, do you demand explanations from the manager or do you buy it anyway?

Not all skills are affected, I've just checked the specialist science skills, nuclear physics etc and they're 10mil as they were before. So then I checked Caldari Frigate, Cruiser, Battleship comparing the price against the NPC price in evemon and they're ALL CHEAPER on the market, and that was at one of the high sec skill stations in hentogaira.

As CCP Fozzie says, some have gone up, some have gone down.

Yes CCP could have announced something but as soon as they announce that prices are going up then people would stockpile them, so they put the prices up without announcing which was a smart move.
Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-03-03 13:46:48 UTC
Very Disappointed with CCP. I don't really care whether prices have changed it is the fact that I have had to search out an answer that should have been provided by CCP.
Really they change the prices and think noone will notice and ask why,what?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#53 - 2013-03-03 14:02:59 UTC
Theo Sotken wrote:
Very Disappointed with CCP. I don't really care whether prices have changed it is the fact that I have had to search out an answer that should have been provided by CCP.
Really they change the prices and think noone will notice and ask why,what?


What does it matter?

Prices changed. That's the long and short of it, for most people the prices make no difference.

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Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-03-03 14:53:53 UTC
'What does it matter? '

It matters because it is a significant change that effects a lot of people. It effects everyone who is going to buy and sell those items. It effects sources of information which are now incorrect. The exact nature of the 'change' was unkown as it was never mentioned. It also raises the question what other changes may occur without any kind of information made available.
The change should have been mentioned in the patch notes and I can't really see why it wasn't. If it was mistakenly left out that's ok mistakes happen but it really did need to be mentioned somewhere.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#55 - 2013-03-03 15:06:39 UTC
I checked some skillbooks, all are +10%.

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Turelus
Utassi Security
#56 - 2013-03-03 15:20:43 UTC
It's always nice when Developers change things and don't even bother to tell people, it's never upset a playerbase in the past has it? Roll

I can see why maybe it's better not to announce a month before hand due to market speculation etc (though there is plenty of this with every other change that happens) at least add it to the the patch notes when you change something.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#57 - 2013-03-03 15:24:38 UTC
Theo Sotken wrote:
'What does it matter? '

It matters because it is a significant change that effects a lot of people. It effects everyone who is going to buy and sell those items. It effects sources of information which are now incorrect. The exact nature of the 'change' was unkown as it was never mentioned. It also raises the question what other changes may occur without any kind of information made available.
The change should have been mentioned in the patch notes and I can't really see why it wasn't. If it was mistakenly left out that's ok mistakes happen but it really did need to be mentioned somewhere.


Skillbook costing 220K ISK instead of 200K ISK is an irrelevant change that doesn't effect anyone. If you are going to buy or sell an item, you check the prices. The source of information is the market, which is still correct.

Undocumented changes happen, and changes like these treat everyone equally. If they are announced, some will be in position to take advantage of them.

Simple, really.

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Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-03-03 21:27:56 UTC
@Roime
Lol. So you choose a 200k skillbook as an example.
I have 400 Bantam BPO's I think its gone up about 200,000isk so I just gained 80, 000 ,000 Isk. I just bought an armageddon bpo I think it cost me about an extra 60million isk. My 10 Osprey BPO are now 80million isk up from 72million = an extra 80million isk in value. etc. etc
I'm pretty sure this change is pretty significant
Blubberlutsch
Mtech Heavy Industries
#59 - 2013-03-03 21:40:35 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I don't see the point in taking the time to make an amendment to the patch notes to let people know about something they didn't want everyone knowing about when the change was made.


*facepalm*
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#60 - 2013-03-06 13:18:49 UTC
Price changes in it self aren't the problem in this case

One could ask how many people knew it will happen beforehand.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude