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CSM 8 - Vote for yourself, choose direct democracy and Night Beagle

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SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#21 - 2013-02-07 20:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: SojournerRover
Phaderift [Given your killboard is nearly blank what do you do in game? after 2 years what aspects do you consider yourself well versed in?]

What does that have to with anything?

Really?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_external_id=90012007

Phaderift
Security Status 4.6Official Collector for the Thukker Childrens Fund, Forum Troll and Gas Whore Extrodinaire

[b][u]ROVER[/u] (REDRUM)[/b]

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-02-07 20:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
This isn't a terrible idea but it doesn't sound very practical to me...

In my opinion we need a wormhole primary that is very active in the community and regularly gets feedback from the community regarding certain issues. We also need someone that has there own beliefs and an opinion on how the future of wormholes should be shaped.

I feel that i would be wasting my vote on someone that doesn't have a real understanding or opinion about the part of eve i care about the most.

Good luck non the less.
Winthorp
#23 - 2013-02-07 21:16:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
I am more of a retriever fan myself, beagles have always seemed too "needy".
Phaderift
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2013-02-07 21:22:18 UTC
SojournerRover wrote:
Phaderift [Given your killboard is nearly blank what do you do in game? after 2 years what aspects do you consider yourself well versed in?]

What does that have to with anything?

Really?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_external_id=90012007

Phaderift
Security Status 4.6Official Collector for the Thukker Childrens Fund, Forum Troll and Gas ***** Extrodinaire



hmm you seem to have missed the reference to how this system was used in ancient times, but the voting was restricted to males with military backgrounds only. By that same ideal the people who were on the floor were almost entirely ex military or members of military families. Pointing to a lack of "military" activity is just a shot at he is suggesting a system that would have, in the time it was used in reality disqualified himself from being able to participate in.

As for my titles, yes they do need updating . Though I still do collect for the children's fund it is more of an inside joke then anything, and I should probably start trolling more outside of our own forums. Though I do need to remove that last one, I have not gassed in months since I cashed out back at around that 180k/unit 320 sweet spot .

also eve-kill abnd zboard seem to be having some issues with their kill track history.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Phaderift

more accurate, but my own KB is nothing special. Nor have I said i was any different then night. just poking and raising some things i want answers to ..

PS i redact my previous statement after seeing that the boards are a little messed up at the moment

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Night+Beagle

runs about the same as i do.

While i think there are to many flaws in this system and not enough knowledge or back round presented for me to consider you , i wish you luck on your endeavour
chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#25 - 2013-02-07 22:17:28 UTC
I'm curious, if you intend to crowdsource all your material. What is to stop a ton of nulltards from taking over the voting procedure and pushing things that are obviously bad for the community? *cough*cough* wh stabilizers *cough*cough* sov in wh's *cough*cough*.

Your platform leaves you completely devoid of any grounds to take a stand for what is better for the interest of the game at large and not be subject the whimsical manipulative natures of large groups of players.

How do you plan to tell people, "Thank you for your concern, but no, that is a bad idea." when your platform is completely devoid of any reason to do so?

You vastly underestimate the power of the NDA in my opinion. We know there are lots of things that twostep would love to share with us and get our opinions on were he not handcuffed by the NDA. How do you plan to function in any capacity when locked into the NDA?

Or are you simply running to become another Darius III and be a completely useless muppet?
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-02-07 22:24:51 UTC
Night Beagle wrote:
Quote:
This is not a diplomatic thread this is politics, check friendships, and pleasantries at the door, there is a job to do.


Let agree to disagree :) this is not politics, social networking, or a job. It's having fun while moving pixels on the screen.
It's a place where there are more than one way to skin the cat, and this includes CSM. Whatever big alliance supports one guy, or whatever connections he has now, NDA states that he cannot communicate to one group something that he cannot communicate to everyone.
Therefore this is my platform and advantage: to allow everyone to discuss and push from the community towards CCP the proposals generally agreed. To give everybody the confidence that whatsoever things can be said, they will be said in public and no player group will be treated differently.




Agree or Disagree the fact of the matter is that many other w-space based CSM candidates come from sizable groups and alliances. Emphasis on the word sizable, it means that besides their very own player base they also happen to have a number of allies / friendlies / sympathetic entities that are willing to back up their candidate. Basically they are starting a little bit ahead of square one, where you are right now. So the question is how do you plan to overcome this handicap?
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-02-07 22:39:00 UTC
while not 100% relevent i checked yoru kill board i see no kills since august last year .

no losses either till jan this year and feb. part of me thinks this screams alt but i am sure you can enlighten us on yoru killboard.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=692598
Winthorp
#28 - 2013-02-07 23:15:30 UTC
corbexx wrote:
while not 100% relevent i checked yoru kill board i see no kills since august last year .

no losses either till jan this year and feb. part of me thinks this screams alt but i am sure you can enlighten us on yoru killboard.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=692598


The lack of any KB is one thing but what concerns me more for someone running for this post is to have very little post history that concerns me more.

How can the OP say he will represent the WH community when he never gets involved in any discussion about Wh's?
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#29 - 2013-02-08 02:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: SojournerRover
corbexx wrote:
while not 100% relevent i checked yoru kill board i see no kills since august last year .

no losses either till jan this year and feb. part of me thinks this screams alt but i am sure you can enlighten us on yoru killboard.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=692598


I can add to this a little.
Insidious Design was going through a bit of turmoil at that time. When joing an alliance (Elysian Empire) we lost a lot of members and a lot were busy with real life. Then when we struck out on our own again we were engaged by an overwhelming force which again put a hit on our member count. But we are rebuilding and intend to stay around for a long time.

Also remember this, Insidious Design was once on the list of Notable Wormhole Space Alliances and Corporations and Night Beagle was right there with us.

[b][u]ROVER[/u] (REDRUM)[/b]

Winthorp
#30 - 2013-02-08 02:17:44 UTC
SojournerRover wrote:
corbexx wrote:
while not 100% relevent i checked yoru kill board i see no kills since august last year .

no losses either till jan this year and feb. part of me thinks this screams alt but i am sure you can enlighten us on yoru killboard.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=692598


I can add to this a little.
Insidious Design was going through a bit of turmoil at that time. When joing an alliance (Elysian Empire) we lost a lot of members and a lot were busy with real life. Then when we struck out on our own again when we were engaged by an overwhelming force which again put a hit on our member count. But we are rebuilding and intend to stay around for a long time.

Also remember this, Insidious Design was once on the list of Notable Wormhole Space Alliances and Corporations and Night Beagle was right there with us.


Is it your alt?
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#31 - 2013-02-08 02:18:48 UTC
LOL
no

I would make a horrible CSM!

[b][u]ROVER[/u] (REDRUM)[/b]

Winthorp
#32 - 2013-02-08 02:20:05 UTC
SojournerRover wrote:
LOL
no

I would make a horrible CSM!


Well it smacks of alt, just sayin.
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#33 - 2013-02-08 02:25:37 UTC
SojournerRover wrote:
LOL
no

I would make a horrible CSM!


Just what I need CCP ticked at me to.

[b][u]ROVER[/u] (REDRUM)[/b]

Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#34 - 2013-02-08 02:56:07 UTC
Night Beagle wrote:
Doc Hollidai
Quote:
why then do we need you?

You don't.




It was right about there you lost my attention. If you actually want votes, why would you admit that?
Rengas
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#35 - 2013-02-08 03:04:57 UTC
SojournerRover wrote:
Phaderift [Given your killboard is nearly blank what do you do in game? after 2 years what aspects do you consider yourself well versed in?]

What does that have to with anything?

Really?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_external_id=90012007

Phaderift
Security Status 4.6Official Collector for the Thukker Childrens Fund, Forum Troll and Gas ***** Extrodinaire


I have the best killboard in wspace.

Vote me for CSM so I can achieve a new level of bitter vetness.
Phaderift
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#36 - 2013-02-08 03:51:58 UTC
Rengas wrote:
SojournerRover wrote:
Phaderift [Given your killboard is nearly blank what do you do in game? after 2 years what aspects do you consider yourself well versed in?]

What does that have to with anything?

Really?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_external_id=90012007

Phaderift
Security Status 4.6Official Collector for the Thukker Childrens Fund, Forum Troll and Gas ***** Extrodinaire


I have the best killboard in wspace.

Vote me for CSM so I can achieve a new level of bitter vetness.



RENGAS for CSM, we can give him that magic computer that takes in peoples opinions and sorts them. then he can make them all reflect this new level of bitter
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#37 - 2013-02-08 09:09:38 UTC
Phaderift wrote:
RENGAS for CSM, we can give him that magic computer that takes in peoples opinions and sorts them. then he can make them all reflect this new level of bitter


I see the flaw in your plan. It's right about the point where Rengas takes in other people's opinions. P

http://www.wormholes.info

Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#38 - 2013-02-08 13:17:58 UTC
SojournerRover wrote:
Also remember this, Insidious Design was once on the list of Notable Wormhole Space Alliances and Corporations and Night Beagle was right there with us.


Excellent point. So, Mr. Beagle, what is your position on self-destructing ships inside a pos?
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#39 - 2013-02-08 14:14:54 UTC
Kynric,

lol
Wow you are so clever.

Apparently you didn't read the thread and just wanted to attack.

[b][u]ROVER[/u] (REDRUM)[/b]

Night Beagle
Beagle Inc
#40 - 2013-02-08 14:48:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Night Beagle
I find that my candidacy raised some interesting issues. I will not comment on sings and grudges, although I will on what causes them and how this is preventing better gameplay for everyone.

It was said repeatedly that candidates should come form large alliances, with various degree of motivating this claim.
It is my opinion that a null sec carebear mentality is beginning to infiltrate the WH way of life. I concur to the opinion that being at some point in large organizations, experiencing c5-6, but also living in smaller class WH, are necessary step in acquiring first hand knowledge.
I have that. I've been there, and I've been silent, listening, watching, learning how to enjoy the game and how to use the numbers for that. Maybe I was unknown when I posted the topic, but now I believe my killboard and employment history is common knowledge. Weather one considers it enough or not, that is a matter of personal taste and opinion, and everyone is entitled to have and express its opinion.
This brings me to the "large alliance issue".
Can one group of players no matter how large claim that it is in possession of the absolute and unique solutions?
Can one claim that candidates must absolutely come from those alliances? Can one contest the right of any player, even from a one man corp to candidate and present its opinions?
All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others. George Orwell, Animal Farm (1945)
As I see it the whole thing with WH representative is becoming a a** kis***g contest ... and while we have our share of people playing competently playing this game, I am in for another trip.
I was expecting this: to judge the man even before looking at the idea, grandeur dreams about controlling others thoughts and actions, refusal to accept responsibility and preference for the all knowing leader figure.
I was not disappointed.
However, I am here to fight and win with a platform based on Liquid Feedback.
Therefore, my comment on preventing highjacks of votes on the platform is the following: API verified, WH corp identity check.


Rocking the boat,

Night Beagle

PS> I'm no alt :)

The world needs you to stop being boring!