Crime & Punishment

Hardly.

So far what i understand:

CCP response on bumping is: It is ok, except on special occasions. Example: Bumping Titans out of Station shield leads to a ban!
Bumping barges, orcas and freighters is tolerated as legal gameplay.
Note: Tolerated is not the same as required,

The reason for this situation is, that the mechanics of bumping are bad implemented to say the least. After being bumped with a full orca for quite a while, the game mechanics are broken, since a small ship can play ball with a significant bigger ship with far bigger mass. I did not lose anything, but it still felt ridiculous, since the bumped ship is even impaired on its regular movement.
Whats more annoying is, that it doesn't raise the aggression flag, when it is an aggressive action.
Annoying so far, cause i had enough forces at hand, if that guy would have gone suspect, there would have been firepower enough, tacklers where there and drones en masse.
But in this case the aggressor is covered by CONCORDE.

Well thats what i call a broken and abused game mechanic.

Nope, i've been following discussions over bumping.
An additional Problem is, that isn' easy to fix.
I know of two cases where CCP acts.
One is that bumping titans out of shield.
One is bumping to keep titans from warping so that the pilot has problems disconnecting.

The case Veers mentioned is a close call.
As long as those mechanics can be countered CCP will not act fast.
If its abused a lot, they will in the end.
Be it in a ruling, or in change of code.

Another thing you should note:
Since this thread is not locked, bumping is still open for discussion.

Yes, so what?
It is still bumping.

I did not ask for CONCORDE help, but when aggressed so hard, i think it would be OK to set the attacker to suspect. As said, in my example their was ample firepower.

1) You weren't aggressed. Nobody attacked you. Bumping is neither aggressive nor is it an attack.

2) If it were: Cool, that takes the "suicide" right out of "suicide ganking"

Aggressive actions in EVE are a very clearly defined set. Just because the word "aggressive" has a different meaning in other contexts doesn't mean you get to apply that meaning to EVE.

If bumping were an aggressive action in EVE, it would result in an aggression flag.



Nothing of the sort occurred. Bumping does not prevent warp.
It might prevent a ship's successful alignment for a warp, but that's quite a bit different.

And even if we accept your claim that it did (which we do not), you'll note that there's an important clause you missed in your attempt to imply the equivalence to the other two situations

Now take a look at the OP in this thread.

Taken from the very first post!
This mentioned freighter tried hard to escape.
This *can* be classified as harrasment.



This differs quite a lot from stories some people try to sell!



I did.

No, they accept the status quo, this has been made absolut clear.
Huge Difference.
This is why i say you try to fool others.


There is no "must try hard enough" in the OP.
AND this is just "not hard enough" in your opinion, that guy had escorts, he took some effort.

The bumper was at risk at no time.


Why should the freigther change belt? He was not in one?
Miners Business -> mine astereoids, stays in system. Can be slowed mining but not stopped from changing system.
Freighter Business -> jump systems
Next try to fool someone.

It can be discussed if this action on a miner is agressive, but on the freighter there is no question. It is the same like warp-disrupting, what gives a suspect status or webbing witch gives suspect status too ( but in fact would help the freigther).
So this bumping abuse is a gift, given to gankers.
Why?

He was running, he tried to align, he had help, he was on keyboard.
Worse:
The gank did not work on the first try
Much effort, no success, that is frustrating. A game should be never frustating.


You guess wrong.

Get mad.

EVE's physics most closely resemble the ocean. What happens when a large ship with relatively weak engines (let's call it an Oil Tanker) encounters a small ship with relatively strong engines (call it a tugboat)? The tugboat can move the large ship around and could quite easily prevent the large ship from maintaining a heading.


A semi truck in the US can mass up to about 36,000kg, while a small car is around 1,000kg. And your example only gives the small car a 3.5x speed advantage.
A Charon only outmasses a Bump Machariel by a factor of about 5, while the Macharial has 40x greater velocity.

To put what's happening in EVE into terms of your analogy, it would be a small car at 1,200 mph (Mach 1.6!) hitting a box truck at 30mph head on. The remaining fragments of that truck are going quite fast in the direction it was coming from.


To see what a realistic elastic colision between the two would look like, plug in
m1=960 (Charon's mass in million kg), v1=72.6 (Cargo charon's top speed), m2=144 (MWD Mach's mass in million kg), v2=-2157 (top speed of an empty Mach with meta MWD) into this 1-dimensional collision calculator. (Or do the math yourself).
To save you the trouble, the Freighter gets shoved backwards at ~509m/s and the Machariel gets shoved backwards at ~1720m/s.
With a properly kitted out bump Mach, the Freighter is going to get shoved backwards at around 1,100m/s.
You'll note that the bumped freighter acheives velocities that are *much* higher than the bumping effects you're complaining are unrealistic.

Changing the bump ship to an SFI (m=60.8mkg, v=18,678m/s) only makes the Freighter's plight worse (~2,100m/s back the way it was coming from), though watching the Stabber fly off at 16,500m/s would be hilarious.