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GM Response On Bumping

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#541 - 2014-09-12 06:32:49 UTC
Stella Fujin wrote:
Leaving Eve with all my 4 accounts after being bumped 400km off the gate and ransommed to pay billions. I refuse and selfdestruct not giving the pleasure to them to kill me.

I spent around 40-50 minutes to be able to align even used an alt with webs but did not work. I am not asking for compensation ccp. I am out.

Well done.


Bye.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isn't for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And that's not really that bad.
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I think we're just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that it's okay to lose.


http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/eve-devs-our-game-is-the-mmo-equivalent-of-running-inferno-solo-with-a-naked-barbarian/

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Stella Fujin
Vitalic
#542 - 2014-09-12 08:55:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Stella Fujin
Capt Starfox wrote:
If you hadn't gone AFK, it wouldn't have happened to you in the first place.

Can i haz ur stuffs?



I was not afk, warp to zero is my way. this happened prewarp alignment.

so went back to all my toons and I trashed Billions worth of shi*.

Quote:



Bye.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. EVE isn't for everyone. I wish it was, but the reality is that there are some people who just enjoy playing another game more. And that's not really that bad.
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I think we're just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that it's okay to lose.


http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/eve-devs-our-game-is-the-mmo-equivalent-of-running-inferno-solo-with-a-naked-barbarian/
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Funny how you are not comprehanding. I have been playing since Feb.2010 and have 90m SP on my pvp toon. All homegrown. Loss over tens of billions of a lot of stuff.

This, this is not a cool loss. Not fun(I'm a gamer, I must have fun and enjoy gaming) I respect dieing. But not this.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#543 - 2014-09-12 09:49:55 UTC
Stella Fujin wrote:


Funny how you are not comprehanding. I have been playing since Feb.2010 and have 90m SP on my pvp toon. All homegrown. Loss over tens of billions of a lot of stuff.

This, this is not a cool loss. Not fun(I'm a gamer, I must have fun and enjoy gaming) I respect dieing. But not this.


Why did you have your whole net worth, tens of billions of ISK in a single ship? I agree that it isn't a cool loss and certainly not fun for you, but it was your mistake though no? In the four years you have been playing did you never realize that when you undock, it is always possible that your ship will explode, sometimes even through no fault of your own? There is a reason Red Frog and others place an ISK-limit on what they will haul and mitigating the damage of an unfortunate voyage is one of them.

Why don't you respect those that got you? Seems like you owe them a 'gf' for out-playing you.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#544 - 2014-09-12 14:49:32 UTC
Stella Fujin wrote:
Leaving Eve with all my 4 accounts after being bumped 400km off the gate and ransommed to pay billions. I refuse and selfdestruct not giving the pleasure to them to kill me.

I spent around 40-50 minutes to be able to align even used an alt with webs but did not work. I am not asking for compensation ccp. I am out.

Well done.


Totally agree with you. The failure to stop the abuse of bumping is ridiculous, and is being utilized by the CODE folks to imprison freighters on a daily basis. This is just screaming out for a fix.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#545 - 2014-09-12 15:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Stella Fujin wrote:
Funny how you are not comprehanding. I have been playing since Feb.2010 and have 90m SP on my pvp toon. All homegrown. Loss over tens of billions of a lot of stuff.

This, this is not a cool loss. Not fun(I'm a gamer, I must have fun and enjoy gaming) I respect dieing. But not this.



Well, I'm sorry it took you so long to figure out that you fundamentally dislike EVE Online. You risk losing any ship you fly at any time for any reason. Had you chosen to, you could have easily preempted the bumping and protected yourself.


Veers Belvar wrote:
Totally agree with you. The failure to stop the abuse of bumping is ridiculous, and is being utilized by the CODE folks to imprison freighters on a daily basis. This is just screaming out for a fix.


FYI, 0 Freighters died in HS yesterday. So clearly not actually on a daily basis.

Again, you need to show blah blah blah rate of ganks compared to a useful measure like number of trips, then why it's a problem in a game where blah blah blah. If you point to Stella as your reasoning, you'll have to address CCP Soundwave's quote.

Oh, and if it were such a high rate of unavoidable ganks, why is it that Red Frog's rates, which include internal insurance premiums, have remained so low?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#546 - 2014-09-12 17:47:56 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:


Can i haz ur stuffs?



Also wanted to comment on this. You blew up someone's expensive ship and caused him to abandon his assets and leave the game. Obviously he is quite upset. Instead of just taking your win and moving on, you come here to rub it in, and try to make him angrier so you can get a further emotional reaction. This kind of "tear harvesting" has no place in the game, and is completely reprehensible. Grow up.
Revis Owen
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#547 - 2014-09-12 18:20:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
This is just screaming out for a fix.


The fixes exist already in the form of tools, good fitting/flying techniques, and last but certainly not least: make friends in this multiplayer game to help each other counter your obstacles.

Agent of the New Order http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html If you do not have a current Mining Permit, please contact me for issuance.

Sister Bertrille
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#548 - 2014-09-12 18:26:21 UTC
Revis Owen wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
This is just screaming out for a fix.


The fixes exist already in the form of tools, good fitting/flying techniques, and last but certainly not least: make friends in this multiplayer game to help each other counter your obstacles.



So you download a game and it doesnt work right until you make friends?
Yea....that makes a lot of sense. Roll
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#549 - 2014-09-12 18:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sister Bertrille wrote:
Revis Owen wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
This is just screaming out for a fix.


The fixes exist already in the form of tools, good fitting/flying techniques, and last but certainly not least: make friends in this multiplayer game to help each other counter your obstacles.



So you download a game and it doesnt work right until you make friends?
Yea....that makes a lot of sense. Roll
MMO's suck until you make friends, because most are basically a team sport

Pretty much the whole point of playing multiplayer games is to find like minded folks, and then stomp all over the opposition. Would you play Counterstrike/COD/MOH solo against a group of friends?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#550 - 2014-09-12 19:44:20 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:


Can i haz ur stuffs?



Also wanted to comment on this. You blew up someone's expensive ship and caused him to abandon his assets and leave the game. Obviously he is quite upset. Instead of just taking your win and moving on, you come here to rub it in, and try to make him angrier so you can get a further emotional reaction. This kind of "tear harvesting" has no place in the game, and is completely reprehensible. Grow up.


It is an EVE tradition from the depths of Beta that at least one person ask for the stuff of anyone threatening to leave since, of course, the person leaving has no further need for it.

It remains entertaining because most people who don't give their stuff away come falling back into the game (or never quit in the first place). In fact, "I'm quitting" posts are so common that there is a forum rule specifically written for them (Rule 33).

Anyway, there's nothing to suggest that Capt Starfox had anything to do with the PvP encounter that helped quitting-guy realize that he didn't like EVE (Fox has 0 freighter kills this month), so your attack on Fox is quite without merit for that reason and because the comment serves a quite clear "legitimate" (per your nutty definition) purpose in increasing the chance that Fox, in fact, gets stuff from quitting-guy.

All that's leaving aside the fact that quitting-guy never owned any assets to begin with.


Just as we have no duty to coddle those who would rather quit and go home when their queen is taken in chess tournaments than finish the game, we have no duty to coddle those who quit and go home when their pawn is destroyed in EVE. A simple "can I have your stuff" response to a quitting thread is a far cry from actual harassment. If you want examples of that, I have a quite nice pile of Evemails (and a couple nice forum threads, actually) from one of the posters you were cheering for (because he was the only one who agreed with you) a couple threads ago.

Funny how you only seem to call for restraint and decency from the people whose playstyles you dislike or whose views you disagree with.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#551 - 2014-09-13 08:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Stella Fujin wrote:
Leaving Eve with all my 4 accounts after being bumped 400km off the gate and ransommed to pay billions. I refuse and selfdestruct not giving the pleasure to them to kill me.

I spent around 40-50 minutes to be able to align even used an alt with webs but did not work. I am not asking for compensation ccp. I am out.

Well done.

I'd give you advice, but since you left, I'll just flat out say it: You suck at flying your ship.

I web my freighter through ******* low-sec. Not only have I made it through safely each time - several dozens of jumps in total - but I've also been aggroe'd in my web ship on the gate before, waited out the aggro timer while staying alive via savvy piloting, escaped, and gotten back to the next gate in time to warp my freighter once again before it decloaked.

In ******* lowsec.

With 9bil in the cargohold, it was the scariest damn experience I've had. But you want to know something? The entire time I was thinking I'd not make it back in time, and I'd lose 10.5bil in total (1.5bil for the freighter). And I was laughing. And smiling. Because when you undock your ship, you have a chance to lose it, and a good player accepts that.

edit - I will defend my decision to put 9bil in the cargohold by stating I am stupidly ISK rich and that is the equivalent of 500mil for most of you Lol

Hey guys.

Ria Nieyli
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#552 - 2014-09-13 09:18:05 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Sister Bertrille wrote:
Revis Owen wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
This is just screaming out for a fix.


The fixes exist already in the form of tools, good fitting/flying techniques, and last but certainly not least: make friends in this multiplayer game to help each other counter your obstacles.



So you download a game and it doesnt work right until you make friends?
Yea....that makes a lot of sense. Roll
MMO's suck until you make friends, because most are basically a team sport

Pretty much the whole point of playing multiplayer games is to find like minded folks, and then stomp all over the opposition. Would you play Counterstrike/COD/MOH solo against a group of friends?


Thankfully in EvE, you don't need friends. You can just get more alts.

Also, there are multiplayer games that can be played 1v1 so the second part of your post is entirely wrong.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#553 - 2014-09-13 19:01:07 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Sister Bertrille wrote:
Revis Owen wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
This is just screaming out for a fix.


The fixes exist already in the form of tools, good fitting/flying techniques, and last but certainly not least: make friends in this multiplayer game to help each other counter your obstacles.



So you download a game and it doesnt work right until you make friends?
Yea....that makes a lot of sense. Roll
MMO's suck until you make friends, because most are basically a team sport

Pretty much the whole point of playing multiplayer games is to find like minded folks, and then stomp all over the opposition. Would you play Counterstrike/COD/MOH solo against a group of friends?


Thankfully in EvE, you don't need friends. You can just get more alts.

Also, there are multiplayer games that can be played 1v1 so the second part of your post is entirely wrong.
Yes there are, but that's not the point I was making, most multi player games that I know of reward playing as a group over playing solo. It's a design feature.

Off topic, I suggest that you apologise to Remiel Pollard, the cancer remark was well out of order. I don't care what he said, he did not deserve that, nobody does.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#554 - 2014-09-13 20:09:09 UTC
I find it strange that people try to make a case for playing without friends.

It really is more FUN to play in a group, design of the game aside.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#555 - 2014-09-14 17:57:32 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
I find it strange that people try to make a case for playing without friends.

It really is more FUN to play in a group, design of the game aside.


Any progress on the two freighters you were supposed to kill in my name for your "gank it forward program?" I haven't gotten any Eve mails and am eagerly awaiting. If you need tips on how to gank them, I'm available for consulting, for a fee of course.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#556 - 2014-09-14 18:18:14 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
I find it strange that people try to make a case for playing without friends.

It really is more FUN to play in a group, design of the game aside.


Any progress on the two freighters you were supposed to kill in my name for your "gank it forward program?" I haven't gotten any Eve mails and am eagerly awaiting. If you need tips on how to gank them, I'm available for consulting, for a fee of course.


Look friends, Beers is growing up and trying to troll.

I'm so proud of him.


(That doing so goes against everything he's been arguing for in two threads for near on a month makes it even more sweet)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#557 - 2014-09-14 18:22:07 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
I find it strange that people try to make a case for playing without friends.

It really is more FUN to play in a group, design of the game aside.


Any progress on the two freighters you were supposed to kill in my name for your "gank it forward program?" I haven't gotten any Eve mails and am eagerly awaiting. If you need tips on how to gank them, I'm available for consulting, for a fee of course.


Look friends, Beers is growing up and trying to troll.

I'm so proud of him.


(That doing so goes against everything he's been arguing for in two threads for near on a month makes it even more sweet)


Not trolling...just following up on the earlier post promising to blow freighters up because of my posts here. And the failure to respond to my post soon afterward about why such threat was unconvincing and unlikely to be acted on. An apology would be appropriate of course, not that I harbor much hope....
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#558 - 2014-09-14 22:23:56 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
I find it strange that people try to make a case for playing without friends.

It really is more FUN to play in a group, design of the game aside.


Any progress on the two freighters you were supposed to kill in my name for your "gank it forward program?" I haven't gotten any Eve mails and am eagerly awaiting. If you need tips on how to gank them, I'm available for consulting, for a fee of course.


Look friends, Beers is growing up and trying to troll.

I'm so proud of him.


(That doing so goes against everything he's been arguing for in two threads for near on a month makes it even more sweet)


Not trolling...just following up on the earlier post promising to blow freighters up because of my posts here. And the failure to respond to my post soon afterward about why such threat was unconvincing and unlikely to be acted on. An apology would be appropriate of course, not that I harbor much hope....


Apologize for the lack of response. Eve gate was blocked at work. Fckin government computers. One down, one to go.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#559 - 2014-09-15 03:28:51 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Veers Belvar wrote:
Not trolling...just following up on the earlier post promising to blow freighters up because of my posts here. And the failure to respond to my post soon afterward about why such threat was unconvincing and unlikely to be acted on. An apology would be appropriate of course, not that I harbor much hope....


How is attempting to make someone feel bad for alleged in-game failures any different from the "Can I have your stuff" post you were railing against earlier this page?

Veers Belvar wrote:
Instead of just taking your win and moving on, you come here to rub it in, and try to make him angrier so you can get a further emotional reaction.



EDIT: So that we're clear. I find nothing wrong with calling out in-game failure. You are the one who laid out standards that you were unable to hold to for a full forum page. (Which goes nicely with your pattern of only calling for civility from those who disagree with you.)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#560 - 2014-09-15 03:37:21 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:


Can i haz ur stuffs?



Also wanted to comment on this. You blew up someone's expensive ship and caused him to abandon his assets and leave the game. Obviously he is quite upset. Instead of just taking your win and moving on, you come here to rub it in, and try to make him angrier so you can get a further emotional reaction. This kind of "tear harvesting" has no place in the game, and is completely reprehensible. Grow up.

you're just trying to get the stuff for yourself. don't think i don't see through you