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It is true I fit a MWD on my Nyx so I can speed tank dreads with my 61371 M sig radius roaring along at 121 m/s, 142 m/s overheated mind you.

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this one goes out to ccp .. you have completly misunderstood dreads .. thier dps Wasent an issue .. neither was thier siege timers . thier problem is the tracking .. if a supercarrir orbits it speedtanks it .. wich means the dread is Purely for poses and stations .. wich was why everone just stop using them and found other ships to use .. you have then went ahead and boosted the dmg abit ..and shortend the siege time .. wich isent gonna mean a thing to people using 20 so dreads enyway .. its still gonna take 10 minuts to kill a pos .. only change here is we now have to press the siege mod twice or leave it running .. Keyword here is tracking .. we wanted the dread to be able to Counter some of the supers/capitals so it actually had a use that dident bore people to death

While CCP is definitely on the right track with these nerfs, I can't help but get the feeling that this is only going to result in yet more things being overpowered, underpowered, or outright never used. Maybe said ships will be different, but the result will stay the same.

Instead of each capital having a mishmash of possible uses, each class should have its own role which it excels at, but should be little more than passable at any other role.

Let's look at what we currently have:

Carriers: Deals the lowest DPS of any cap class, but can reliably apply that DPS to anything larger than a cruiser using fighter drones. Also have bonuses to remote repping to keep other ships alive. TL;DR: Specialized in repping. DPS is a secondary role, but is still effective in many situations.

Dreadnaughts: Deals moderately high DPS, but only when in siege mode, where it sacrifices all mobility and can't be RR'ed, and sucks at hitting subcaps. TL;DR: Specialized against capitals and above.

Supercarriers: Deals insane DPS, nearing that of a titan, and has great EHP. Can field both fighters and fighter bombers to deal DPS to virtually any target larger than a cruiser. Can also fit RR. Only drawback compared to a normal carrier is failure to fit triage modules. TL;DR: Specialized against everything. -_-

Titan: Can jump bridge fleets across vast distances, and doomsday to quickly take out any non-super cap carriers or dreads. Also deals respectable DPS with XL turrets/launchers against capitals and battleships. TL;DR: Specialized against caps; viable against BS.

The way I see it, Dreadnaughts are the only well balanced of the four so far, as they have a specialized role and are crappy at anything else due to crippled mobility and vulnerability. In my opinion, all caps should be like that; they excel at a VERY SPECIFIC role, and if they get engaged by something not included in that role, then they'd better have a support fleet backing them up.

With this in mind, I propose the following:

Carriers: These should be the only caps capable of being effective against subcaps. To do this, revert back to the change to fighter sig to be ~400, but give carriers a X% tracking bonus per carrier skill level. This means that a supercarrier with fighters will do crappy DPS unless it's supported by target painters, while carriers are capable of dishing out some of their DPS without needing subcap support. However, compared to other classes, their fighter DPS will be crappy against other capitals. TL;DR: Will be effective against subcaps.

Dreadnaughts: Keep them more or less the way they are; (Well, the way they are going to be, with the 5 min siege cycle time.) Siege modules should allow for minimal movement, and to be RR'ed, so that they aren't *completely* outdone by supercarriers. TL;DR: Will be effective against caps.

Supercarrier: With fighter sig resolution pushed up to 400m, they will have to either forgo fighters or forgo fighter bombers if they want to be effective whatsoever against sub-BS, which cripples their effectiveness against caps. They will still be effective cap and supercap killers, but simply have extremely limited viability against a well-organized subcap fleet. TL;DR: Will be effective against caps.

Titan: These should be supercapital killers. Give them terrible XL turret tracking - to accomplish this, make XL weapons have higher sig res and lower tracking, but give dreads a tracking/sig resolution bonus per level. Additionally, make their doomsday stronger, but make it strictly sig radius based, so that it is no longer capable of one-shotting capitals, but will do more effective damage against supercapitals. TL;DR: Will be effective against supercaps.

TL;DR Changes:

Fighter sig res to 400m.
Carriers (NOT supercarriers) gain a +X% fighter tracking bonus per skill level.
XL Weapons have higher sig resolution and worse tracking.
Dreadnaugts gain a +X% XL turret/launcher tracking/sig resolution bonus per skill level.
Doomsday devices do more damage, but are now sig radius based.
Dreads can now move a bit and be RR'ed while in siege mode.

This is by no means a final list, but I feel that it's reasonable, and better than blanket buffs/nerfs. Now, I shall prepare to be flamed into oblivion.

+1

Only if you can guarantee that fleets will no longer be stuck because of infamous black screen. Fingers crossed for the time dilation feature, I guess.

I don't agree with the Fighter Nerf...

Not everyone uses Fighters for pvp usage... Many use them to Ratt...

The use of fighters will become usless then for running pritty much any type of Plex.

I could understand maybe a partial increase of maybe 200 or 250 but 400 is just outrageous.

why not change the base to say 150 and then put a modification on Supers to boost it to the 400.
Or make a slightly weaker version of the fighter for cariears (say scale back the damage 5 to 15 percent and lower their hitpoints by the same ) and the current versions that you change only available to Supercaps.

So, took a look at what happens when you run tracking mods and links on a titan.

Erebus
Meta 2 Blasters (24+26 km AM, 78+26 Iron, assuming tracking is not quite that important at range, 2x optimal gives 102+42, and this is the shortest range titan)
meta 14 TE
2x meta 14 TCs (Tracking Scripts)
5x incoming Faction TLs from a max skilled onieros
Ogdin's Eye
Tracking, Blasters: 0.02549
Tracking, Blasters, 2x Optimal (Iron is 102+42): 0.02525
DPS(Short-Long, T1 Ammo, no Damage Mods, no overheat, no implants): 5654-2356 (Therm/Kin)

Obviously I have run into the wall as far as tracking goes, the penalties have really kicked in.

Repeated for Avatar
Meta 2 Pulses (28+17 with MF, 88+17 with Radio, 2x optimal (previous numbers were tracking speed) 116+28 with 2x optimal)
(Same as Erebus otherwise)
Tracking, Giga Pulses: 0.01908
Tracking, Giga Pulses, 2x Optimal Scripts: 0.0189
DPS(Short-Long, T1 Ammo, no Damage Mods, no overheat, no implants): 4673-1947 (EM/Therm)

Again, this is pretty much the upper limit as the loss of 2x tracking comps had little to no effect on tracking

Ragnarok:
(same ****)
(20+33 with EMP, 65+33 with carbonized lead, (previous were tracking speed) 85+54 with 2x optimal)
Tracking, 6x2500: 0.02403
Tracking, 6x2500, 2x Optimal Scripts: 0.0238
DPS(Short-Long, T1 Ammo, no Damage Mods, no overheat, no implants): 5629-2345 (Variable Damage Types)

Megathron, 425s: 0.01654 (Hype: 0.01203)

Megathron, Neutrons: 0.07442 (Hype: 0.05412)

Geddon, Mega Pulse: 0.04219

Geddon, Mega Beam: 0.01914

Tempest, 1400s: 0.01125

Tempest 800 Repeating: 0.054

Not too sure what to make of this, other than, yes, titans can hit stuff rather decently. I probably would accept slightly lower tracking for a better optimal (have the oneiros switch a script or two).

Food for thought on that issue.

Given that Erebus and Avatar are the most used, you can see why the Erebus gets (and deserves a lot of flack for this)

Boosh, beat the forum, it tried to eat my post, but I copied it beforehand \o/

They retracted that one, just have not edited the dev blog. Post one by (Guard I think) links to it.

EDIT: Link here

They are of the same class and share same capital mods, so I don't see how this particular thing is unfair. Both carriers and supercarriers are to use XL rigs which in turn should actually cost something.