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I agree with the proposed log off mechanic change, if I drop my aeon there should always be a chance its my last.

With this change, are you telling me you and 29 of your friends could not kill a lone supercarrier before downtime rolls around? If this is a problem, then your obviously playing the game wrong to begin with.

The problem as i see it is the fact that with this nerf Eny given alliance is gonna Win by numbers .. if you jump in a pretty standard fleet of 200 battleships or battelcruisers with logi ect and say 40 supers ... you lose the subcap fight to a bigger alliance you basicly just lost all 40 supers .. all they have to do is bubble them (supers can't hit them) and then proceed to agress every super now and then .. that gives them Hours and hours to kill all of them .... i dont see enyone winning on this nerf but the alliances that refuces to spend isk on supers . wich wierd enough is the same people complaining that they are too powerfull ..

So at the risk of this not being read by any developer. I would like to point out a major flaw in the current balancing of super capital ships in eve. Super carriers are still to powerful. Having fought 300 man super capital fleets and understanding how they work the super carrier was always the more threatening then the titan. Simply because it has more effective DPS, had a better ECM system, and often had the same EHP as the titan for 16th the cost.

Looking at the cost end of the spectrum we see that a super carrier takes about 1billion isk in skills, about 4 months in training time to become effective and then another 17 billion isk for the hull and fittings. Contrast that with a titan that costs about 7 billion isk in skills and around a year to train for so that your can do more then just sit in it. You can understand why super carriers are out numbering titans by nearly 20 to 1. Simply put even with the nerfs and the super carriers inability to engage sub caps effectively, they are still going to be a better anti capital ships because they still have nerly the same EHP and can remote rep each other.

With the current glut of super carriers, you will not see dread fleets because the super carrier fleet is simply going to wipe the floor with the dread fleet. Anything not supported by super carriers becomes an easy target for super carriers and carriers. The simple fact is that the super carrier has too big of a performance envelope.

Looking at the current and proposed EHP stats you can see that the super carrier is equal to the titans EHP. While only requiring a quarter of the resources and a thrid of the time to train for. If we were to put that in sub capital terms we would be looking at a T1 cruiser that has the same EHP and firepower as a battleship, but with none of the draw backs of cost and training time. Either the DPS or the EHP, or both. Honestly i like the idea of a super carrier that has huge firepower but is not a solid rock of hit points. Remember that super carrier can remote repair each other and more often then not when you have 100 of them on field you simply can not break the remote repair tank on them even if you have 100 of your own super carriers hitting them.

If we take the reduced hit points of the titan (about 42 million EHP)and super carrier(about 41 million ehp) assuming both are dead space fit and slave implants. And we compare that to how many carrier it takes to build each (about 62 for a titan and 16 for a super carrier). We then take the Titans EHP and divide it by the number of carriers it takes and we get 677,419 EHP. we then multiply that by the number of carriers it takes to make a super carrier and we get 10,838,709 EHP. That is about where the super carrier should be sitting.

But because of the efficiencies of construction, i think a number of about 14,500,000 EHP is much more suitable. That means the super carrier is far more vulnerable to titans and dreads alike and there is an actual risk to flying them. This will also prevent the glut of super carriers from ensuring that nothing changes in eve. Because at the end of the day we will still need titans and dreads to hit sov structures. And if the fist counter is drop 100 super carriers on it and rep it up to save it, then we will see not shift in the current way eve is running in null sec.

According to you?

So... stuff should cost more, with no benefit? Why don't we take money out in general, and then make the server into SiSi?

I've never understood this cost does not justify balance argument. Cost reduces the efficiency of certain ships, reduces their proliferation, etc.

the thing is .. Alliances like goonswarm has Alot of tech too .. and alot of pilots able to fly these ships .. they simply has choosen not to fly them .. So i ask .. Why all the complaining .had people actually bought supers like so many others maybe there would be more super fights too .. = more super Deaths .. and that would solve the issue were having of too many supers being in the game at one time

Wait somethings missing from here, what happened to the blackops buff, and destroyers buff...

and for that matter, what happened to expanding the size of the carrier's ship maint bay to make them more corp tools and less personal u-hauls

Well i think CCP are on the right track for SCs. Remember this is the first attempt to re-ballance them, so more may happen down the track.

Taking away the ability of smaller drones from them may seem like a bad mistake. It WILL farm out that role to normal carriers and support ships. Net effect? Less SCs on the field, as alliance members now move to close the gaps in the fleet, or they just hope for the best and be at further risk.

I think a decent move by CCP after this happens, would be to reduce the cost of a SC, cut BP requirements by up to 1/2. Net effect? More SCs for smaller alliances, easier to carve a niche out for themselves

go fit an archon like you fit a supercarrier. It has about 10mil EHP with gang bonii.

So by your logic, the Aeon should have 200mil EHP.

The bottom line is Goonswarm and TEST do not want to spend their money on fielding and replacing supercaps in a slugfest war. So they, the leadership, have pushed hard on CCP to nerf supercaps vs subcaps and not really do anything for dreads except some timer change and some dps and call it a fix even though they can and will still insta pop to fighter bombers and Doomsdays.

So bets on that come patch day Goons launch a campaign spearheaded by Hurricanes, Drakes and Arty Maelstroms into a major sov holders space. Then they can use their supercaps which will be very effective still at killing sov structures to do so.

Maybe your 30 man gang should field some support ships like Hics, dictors and logi cruisers.

And yeah a 30 man BS gang would kill my 15mil EHP neuted out nyx in under 15 minutes. Do the math. i've got just over 9 minutes.

Edit:
I forgot that when you cyno in you have full cap... right? hmmm more like 30 something percent.
And the lock time on my Nyx for those battleships must be in the what? 3 second range? be really hard for them all to get on me at once, what with those kinds of lock times. And lets say 20 of your BS have a single neut, your knocking back 16,000 of my cap every 24 seconds. Start doing the math on say 30 BS with 2 neuts each...

Educate yourself before you post on a subject. Please.