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as a sub cap pilot, lo sec roamer i second this nerf, thank you dev's,
any chance on forbidding titans in low sec??? titan alfa kills are very annoying and must be looked at.
super cap hot drops on a single ship becoming more and more popular taking away all chances of survival for solo warrior.

If you undo the fighter change, what are you going to do about supercarriers using fighters to kill battleships and battlecruisers?

How about you restrict supercarriers to bombers only? That would give normal carriers a specific offensive role, while keeping the apparent intent of those changes to make supercarriers an anti-cap, anti-structure platform.

Your hole gole was 100% wrong from the very beginning. Noo need to continue even.

Crowd: NEFF SUPERS NOW

CCP: Ok

*removes ability of supers main weapons to hit subcaps*

Crowd: WAIT NOW I CAN'T RUN SANCTUMS IN MAH CARRIER. SUPERS AREN'T SO BAD PUT IT BACK THE OTHER WAY

CCP: Retards

11/10

I still have a reservation, I think my fundamental question is there any positive reason one would you fly a dread over a Titan if cost wasn't an issue? It relates to roles, and the performance of these ships when roles are considered. If the answer is, you wouldn't fly a dread over a titan if they cost the same, do you think that's an issue or not?

Thank you. I get so tired of reading this carrier = logistics ship garbage. Carriers are carriers. Carriers are meant to launch fighters that pew pew things. I don't think Triage should even be a function of carriers. It's an unnecessary, tacked-on feature that doesn't fit the role of the ship.

And +1 to restricting supercarriers to fighterbombers only as stated above. Easiest way to fix the problem.

Carrier carries my ships around when I move from one region to another. Other than that, it's fighters barely do more DPS than a gank fit BS.

Another is walking in stations. Anyone remember 2006 ?

Way to miss the point, trailer-trash.

You lost any credibility you may have had (theoretical, anyway--you actually had/have none, regardless) with the use of "Untermensch," too by the way.

Get a clue, you mong.

0/10, keep practising.

Oh, and if being "somebody" in this game really is limited to being anything like you, then I will happily remain amongst the Untermenschen.

There's usually no reason to reply to you trolls (as is it's nature), but I'll make an exception since you are cute:

* The motherships never had a "damage role", they were given one in the changes a few years ago. Half their lifetime they been a logistic platform. And the damage role was unbalanced, the other was too weak, so you try find the issue here..
* Yup, they key is they "have become", but they were not initially, nor did they ever have such an outspoken role.
* The hp nerf is enough to have a few titans + moms volley a super. Fielding 50+ supers (like most bigger entities can), they can easily dispatch of 5-10 supers in a few seconds.

Oh and for the record, if you lose a supercap to a single hic or a very very small gang, I agree with you that you as pilot did errors and deserve to die, I never argued against this (and this is not the reason they should keep their sub-fighter bay). The reason they should keep the sub-fighter bay is because a) FB's are ridicilously overpowered and should be removed b) Fighters are really weak, I personally solo-killed six of a Nyx Fighters while kiting them around in my Nighthawk, until he gave up, pulled the rest and warped off, they're underwhelming at best c) sentry drones serve a purpose when shooting POS. I'd agree point c is quite minor, but the first two is primary reasons, so your assumption about my reasons for arguing for a dronebay is quite wrong. If Fighters worked against POS and wasn't so easily kited, all motherships would need was Fighters. Drop FB and regular drones altogether. But that'd require a boost to mothership-Fighters (not affecting carriers).

So to get back to topic, before your assumptions pull this off the line again:
Motherships had a logistic role. They were given a damage role but obviously went too powerful. I think anyone with half a brain would realise that in anything from those big fleet fights, to the smaller hotdrops and skirmishes, the mothers' would never been considered "too powerful" if they had Fighters alone, right? And FB's were never needed, they were given as an incentitive to put them on the combat field, not to actually have a combat role.

With the log-off changes, a EHP nerf is not needed at all. And frankly speaking, if you ever flew a super and have been tackled/shot at (especially by other supers), you know how they are virtually made of paper. Subcaps can and will kill supers already today. That EHP nerf is just gonna make the FB/DD/Titan guns even more powerful and unbalanced, and is not even addressing a) the ships role or b) the real issue that makes them overpowered. Which is the damage, not their health. And the health, once again as I just posted, has already had a major hit by the log-off timer (a good addition).