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So you're admitting that these changes will bring subcaps back into the playing field without completely removing supercapitals from the fight.

Sounds like balance, to me.

Mittens, your vile goal of the concentration of power in 2-3 power blocs and the destruction of fun in EVE is nearly complete.

Can I get an exclusive first-quote?

I, for one, look forward to seeing the Lords and Knights of EVE ride on their supercaps atop a wave of human filth and misery as the peasants in subcaps batter freemen out of their nullsec homes.

an amusing twist, you've managed through your delusions to somehow consider me a pro-supercap supporter

personally, i'd like to see them all removed from the game or shifted to a completely noncombat role (bridging only, leadership bonuses etc) but according to this thread full of howlers i ~have gotten everything that i want~

supercaps can still target subcaps and they still exist, i have not won vOv

Blimey, this thread is still going? Hurrah. Delicious sense of entitlement tears.

*Goes back to training vulnerable, fun, challenging subcaps*

Now did you take them drugs

HINT (theirs no side effects anymore)

The only reason I trained sentry drones so I can kick ass in my dread.

I think dreads having 5 sentry drones, should be allowed, even if no bonus is given.

I say boost dreads as you say, but give them drones back. Limit to only sentry type. There are good reasons to not siege, and use drones when the tower is almost down, to save a cycle.

Bouncer IIs ftw

Too bad we don't have a way to vote you out of the CSM

Only if the Dread did not have a tank...... Which seems unlikely......

This would actually mean a thing if the CSM were Mittens and I. I suppose you're suggesting that the two PL guys, the two xdeath guys and a whole slew of CCP balancing guys just took what we said and put it in without considering the impact of the ships on the game? Interesting theory.

This is a nerf. This is a nerf to groups that use supercaps as the sole mechanism to project 0.0 power. This is a nerf to guys who like to bait small gangs then drop a titan on them much like a child melts ants with a magnifying glass. You're upset about this nerf and I can respect that because this is a hit to your playing style and you're hopping mad about it.


These changes are also the result of a significant amount of back and forth between parts of the CSM who represent SC heavy alliances, those who feel strongly that supercaps as they are now break the game and ruin the experience for the much larger percentage who don't have them, and CCP. These changes are also not the final word and there is going to be a great deal of attention given to the aftermath of these changes so if this wasn't done enough or too much it'll be addressed.


Now I'd love to have this conversation, a rational discourse on why we feel these changes are necessary, and why we pushed for them. Even though we didn't get nearly what we wanted, CCP did find another path that makes us mostly satisfied and that's why we were sent here.

So despite your immature words and incoherent rant I do get the motivation behind your anger. I think it's misplaced and you're coming across like a spoiled child, but that's in your delivery and not your sentiment.

With the exception of the 15 min log off timer I agree so far. Supercaps are really difficult to kill currently unless you drop 30 on one dumb ratting nyx or something.



This is where we differ but permit me an opportunity to explain why. I think supercaps are overpowered currently, but the main reason why I think this is that supercaps were never meant to be solo ships or capable of operating without a support fleet. When you give supercaps the ability to defend against any ship class you've just created a swiss army cap that doesn't need subcaps. Think about this for a minute. You have a ship class that really doesn't need subcaps. Maybe you need a dictor or two to hold people down so you can butcher them, but you don't need subcaps to be successful. The impact of this is that the vast majority of players in 0.0 don't really have a role anymore since it's the minority in space who fly supercaps, not the majority. My response on this to you would be: "Why shouldn't supercaps need a support fleet to be effective?" I've seen arguments about people saying they've trained up forever to get their end game ship and they just can't stand the fact that they are being brought down to earth and if they spend 50b for some pimped out supertoy they SHOULD be able to wipe out whole fleets with a single button or perhaps they change the argument slightly to throw in some kind of quip about blob warfare and how this change just makes it so large groups of people can be highly effective against small groups of people.

Well I think that's how it should be. If you have a bunch of dudes you probably should be really effective against a small group of dudes. It shouldn't be the sole deciding factor of course, but the level of strategic thinking and tactical capabilty required to beat a larger force should ramp up as they get even more numbers and no, I do not consider being rich enough to buy a big expensive ship to be the answer to that. If you're fighting a much larger group then adjust your strategy to be a guerilla war instead of saying that they have a bunch more dudes than you so you should be able to buy your way to victory. That's a bullshit answer and one I reject out of hand.






I'm a supercap pilot. I flew an Aeon before and I fly an Erebus now. I couldn't imagine ever putting myself in a situation where I was that vulnerable and I don't think stupidity (either on your part or the part of your alliance) should be a reason to make things easier for you. If you find yourself getting ganked in your expensive toy, then be less dumb. It's really not difficult.



Give me the power to implement supercap docking and it'd be done before I finish this post (it's a longish post so maybe before this). I fully support unlocking characters from supercaps because frankly supercaps just aren't used that often. It was a mistake to mandate that they had to be stuck in the hull and it reduces the value of both the character and the gameplay experience by forcing this on them. CCP forced us to all be in supercaps by making the gameplay reliant on them, they should throw a bone and ease up this ridiculous requirement.



Like this.