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New dev blog: Capital ship balancing

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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2441 - 2011-11-11 16:07:32 UTC
Pssst, you guys asking for CCP responses do know there's a thread in Test Server Feedback with updates and modifications to the Cap ship changes right?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29691&find=unread
Tore Vest
#2442 - 2011-11-11 21:55:31 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
Pssst, you guys asking for CCP responses do know there's a thread in Test Server Feedback with updates and modifications to the Cap ship changes right?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29691&find=unread


That is when the damage is allready done.....
Only one thing to say in there.... Undo the nerf
And stop bringing the endgame to the players

No troll.
Draconus Lofwyr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2443 - 2011-11-15 01:48:04 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
Pssst, you guys asking for CCP responses do know there's a thread in Test Server Feedback with updates and modifications to the Cap ship changes right?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29691&find=unread



Yep and they are just as responsive and proactive as they have been here.. this nerf patch is turning into a load of crap with gold paint and glitter on top to sell a pretty picture.
Tore Vest
#2444 - 2011-11-15 03:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tore Vest
I guess CCP is tired of this game.......

Ontopic:
Last erebus killed went down within 5 minutes...
How fast have CCP planned that the lagest ship in EVE should die ?
30 sec ?

No troll.
Il Reverendo
Forty Two
#2445 - 2011-11-15 17:35:37 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:

Last erebus killed went down within 5 minutes...
How fast have CCP planned that the lagest ship in EVE should die ?


10 to the minus 43 seconds.
ogletorp
Decisive Persuits
#2446 - 2011-11-15 20:39:51 UTC
ANGAL 2000 wrote:
this is a act to kill super carrier you have 3000 toons in super carriers if not more and their useless let them dock.

they will get used after the patch and the ppl using them can use them for more then sitting in a pos waiting to die

LET SUPER CARRIER DOCK


I agree if they are only going to be useful as a role player. Let them dock so the pilot isn't stuck in a pos or claiked up in space!
Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#2447 - 2011-11-16 04:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Velin Dhal
Well as of right now, I'm on the test server with the new patch. Way to drop the ball CCP.

Hybrid balancing is great stuff, but I'm glad to see that once again, the older players in eve get screwed over. From the nerfs I'm seeing on here, you didn't listen to anyone in this thread. The massive Super nerf I'm seeing here is insanity. They are completely worthless.

Good job CCP on making Test and Goons now strong enough to push just about anyone they want out of Null. Seeming you just made the counter to their high member count disappear. Who needs skills points anymore when you can just have 3000 noobs.

Its getting more and more pointless to keep paying for a game that keeps alienating its older players.
Timewiz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2448 - 2011-11-16 07:14:20 UTC
Was it the noobs whinning they cant kill a ms...or was it ccp ignorance of the fact they created a ship with certain qualities, you skill and save up for years to buy one then ccp nerfs it cause they were too stupid to design it correctly to start to start with. Well I am nerfing ccp by not renewing my 7 accts.
Charles Edisson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2449 - 2011-11-16 10:02:20 UTC
Velin Dhal wrote:
Well as of right now, I'm on the test server with the new patch. Way to drop the ball CCP.

Hybrid balancing is great stuff, but I'm glad to see that once again, the older players in eve get screwed over. From the nerfs I'm seeing on here, you didn't listen to anyone in this thread. The massive Super nerf I'm seeing here is insanity. They are completely worthless.

Good job CCP on making Test and Goons now strong enough to push just about anyone they want out of Null. Seeming you just made the counter to their high member count disappear. Who needs skills points anymore when you can just have 3000 noobs.

Its getting more and more pointless to keep paying for a game that keeps alienating its older players.



Hit the nail straight on the head there, CCP dont care as much about 100 vet players as they do about 3000 noobs, you each pay as much $$ to CCP so they are going to look after their biggest demographic. It's ALL about making money for CCP, every single change they make must at the very least not reduce their overall subscriber base. If they cause 1,000 people that have played for years to leave but get 10,000 new paying subscribers do you think they give a ****.
Passive62
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2450 - 2011-11-16 10:38:37 UTC
Warrior Xena wrote:
I do not think that supercaps are too powerful. They are the biggest ships in the game and the most expensive. It is not normal to have a supercapital defenseless against a destroyer-size vessel, the same way that a real-life carrier cannot be stopped dead by a boat with a hook. Forcing a 15km-ship to kill a single interdictor ( 90m across ) with a doomsday device in order to leave is an idea stupid enough, removing even that possibility and it is well beyond belief.


Some ppl talk about real-life situations with the carriers etc.
Please dont forget that no navy is sailing out with just a carrier. They have carrier battle groups with dps agains submarines, ships and aircraft. If you cant kill a hic with a carrier, then ensure you have enough support in the form of sub-caps to counter that. maybe the era of the "cap-fleet" is dying now, with the start of the era of "carrier batlegroups" or "CAP-battlegroups" where all players can take part in, even the noob with a rifter
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2451 - 2011-11-16 11:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowsword
Tore Vest wrote:
I guess CCP is tired of this game.......

Ontopic:
Last erebus killed went down within 5 minutes...
How fast have CCP planned that the lagest ship in EVE should die ?
30 sec ?



That Erebus was logged off, didn't have any active hardener, wasn't remore repped, and took multiple doomsdays shots on top of all the conventionnal dps.

If you're trying to use that kill as an argument, you must be getting really desesperate.


Velin Dhal wrote:
Well as of right now, I'm on the test server with the new patch. Way to drop the ball CCP.

Hybrid balancing is great stuff, but I'm glad to see that once again, the older players in eve get screwed over. From the nerfs I'm seeing on here, you didn't listen to anyone in this thread. The massive Super nerf I'm seeing here is insanity. They are completely worthless.

Good job CCP on making Test and Goons now strong enough to push just about anyone they want out of Null. Seeming you just made the counter to their high member count disappear. Who needs skills points anymore when you can just have 3000 noobs.

Its getting more and more pointless to keep paying for a game that keeps alienating its older players.


Ahah, more despair.

And believing that pre-nerf supers stopped the blobbing. Such innocence is almost touching...
Vaffel Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2452 - 2011-11-16 11:36:51 UTC
never forgive
never forget
CCP is burning bridges
Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues
#2453 - 2011-11-16 12:57:17 UTC
Forums ate my post Ugh

Can devs please comment on the shieldtankers vs armortankers imbalance? The amount of armortankers alone give an indication of the shield flaws. The Leviathan is best used as a cab atm. Might as well fit trumpets instead of missile bays. They are equally effective. This has been brought up through many years and you still havent done anything about it.

The only good thing about the Leviathan is that you may survive to the end cause your not worth killing first either way.
Lunce
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#2454 - 2011-11-16 13:08:27 UTC
[/quote]Some ppl talk about real-life situations with the carriers etc.
Please dont forget that no navy is sailing out with just a carrier. They have carrier battle groups with dps agains submarines, ships and aircraft. If you cant kill a hic with a carrier, then ensure you have enough support in the form of sub-caps to counter that. maybe the era of the "cap-fleet" is dying now, with the start of the era of "carrier batlegroups" or "CAP-battlegroups" where all players can take part in, even the noob with a rifter[/quote]


If... IF CCP can make it happen, then....this ^

All the pain would be worth it if this was the net result.
HelPilot of20Years
Doomheim
#2455 - 2011-11-16 14:08:36 UTC
Le Cardinal wrote:
Forums ate my post Ugh

Can devs please comment on the shieldtankers vs armortankers imbalance? The amount of armortankers alone give an indication of the shield flaws. The Leviathan is best used as a cab atm. Might as well fit trumpets instead of missile bays. They are equally effective. This has been brought up through many years and you still havent done anything about it.

The only good thing about the Leviathan is that you may survive to the end cause your not worth killing first either way.


I concur. If any super-capital pilot's voice be heard, it should be that of the Leviathan. Since we can't seem to come to a logical solution to capital missiles/torps, give these poor bastards some hybrid hardpoints.

To state again: Shield capitals in this game are a joke. Sit in an Icelandic office and don't come out until you can add/subtract a few numbers that effect an overhaul of capital shield-tanking efficacy.

...designed for [u]one purpose and one purpose only[/u]. ”Imagine a swarm of deadly hornets pouring from the devil’s mouth. Now imagine they have autocannons.” -Unknown Hel designer
Lee Anderson
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2456 - 2011-11-16 23:22:13 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Well CCP, thanks for removing my initial post. I did not violate any forum rules. However, I'll explain since you didn't get it:

Removed again. Navigator.

Edit; to elaborate, as we know populist choices gets the blind sheeps running and they might miss the goal..

1) removing regular drones on motherships is ******** beyond belief, this is what Zulu and CCP wanted and tried to do repeatedly. Everytime this has idea has been put to rest. Now that moms need a rebalance, CCP finally can do their long-wet-dream - something that isn't even required.

2) the only issue with supers is their damage output, they had a hp boost for a reason, remember how even small industrialist corps in lowsec would drop a few mixed shield/armor carrier/dread-groups and kill them like they were nothing? Their hp is reasonable, after years of being nerfed, but their damage isn't. Fighterbombers and changed doomsdays made them from "laughable and mocked" to "way overpowered". The nerf should be to FB's and Fighters, not to dronebays and hp.

(and quite frankly, with supers doing same ridicilous damage to other supers and structures, they will have same strenght in sov war so this nerf could end up still promoting super-blobs)

3) The logoff timer change should be universal, for all ships, or it's a stupid change. The blog does not specify if this is for capitals only, but the blog is for capitals only. This needs to be addressed. Game mechanics should in general be universal, else they by themselves become a balance issue. TL;DR state if this is for capitals only, or all ships.. should be the latter.

CCP is showing ignorance on this issue, ignorance, populism, and of course they got their holy grail "death to all drones" slotted into this. I hope players arn't ignorant enough to miss out on this, it's quite embarrassing how you might just finally after four years get away with a stupid change nobody asked for. Nobody but you, CCP.

CCP Navigator owning ppl again with his awesomeness... oh god this might be DEL to... god forbid as a paying customer we can talk to a company that we help make... Its are money that we spent that pays your paycheck... Don't forget if everyone in EVE stopped paying then there is no CCP

Welcome to EVE were _fake _ISK and ships rule space! If you care about your "fake" killboard or ships, then please consult your doctor for medications.
Velin Dhal
Zeonic CG
#2457 - 2011-11-17 02:10:28 UTC
Lee Anderson wrote:
Misanth wrote:
Well CCP, thanks for removing my initial post. I did not violate any forum rules. However, I'll explain since you didn't get it:

Removed again. Navigator.

Edit; to elaborate, as we know populist choices gets the blind sheeps running and they might miss the goal..

1) removing regular drones on motherships is ******** beyond belief, this is what Zulu and CCP wanted and tried to do repeatedly. Everytime this has idea has been put to rest. Now that moms need a rebalance, CCP finally can do their long-wet-dream - something that isn't even required.

2) the only issue with supers is their damage output, they had a hp boost for a reason, remember how even small industrialist corps in lowsec would drop a few mixed shield/armor carrier/dread-groups and kill them like they were nothing? Their hp is reasonable, after years of being nerfed, but their damage isn't. Fighterbombers and changed doomsdays made them from "laughable and mocked" to "way overpowered". The nerf should be to FB's and Fighters, not to dronebays and hp.

(and quite frankly, with supers doing same ridicilous damage to other supers and structures, they will have same strenght in sov war so this nerf could end up still promoting super-blobs)

3) The logoff timer change should be universal, for all ships, or it's a stupid change. The blog does not specify if this is for capitals only, but the blog is for capitals only. This needs to be addressed. Game mechanics should in general be universal, else they by themselves become a balance issue. TL;DR state if this is for capitals only, or all ships.. should be the latter.

CCP is showing ignorance on this issue, ignorance, populism, and of course they got their holy grail "death to all drones" slotted into this. I hope players arn't ignorant enough to miss out on this, it's quite embarrassing how you might just finally after four years get away with a stupid change nobody asked for. Nobody but you, CCP.

CCP Navigator owning ppl again with his awesomeness... oh god this might be DEL to... god forbid as a paying customer we can talk to a company that we help make... Its are money that we spent that pays your paycheck... Don't forget if everyone in EVE stopped paying then there is no CCP


Everyone raging about this patch should sit outside of Jita and destroy anything that comes out of 4-4. Fill out local with pissed off people and when no one can do **** in Jita for a month, maybe CCP will listen. They certainly don't listen to anyone on here.
Pastachick
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2458 - 2011-11-17 18:00:57 UTC
Velin Dhal wrote:
Well as of right now, I'm on the test server with the new patch. Way to drop the ball CCP.

Hybrid balancing is great stuff, but I'm glad to see that once again, the older players in eve get screwed over. From the nerfs I'm seeing on here, you didn't listen to anyone in this thread. The massive Super nerf I'm seeing here is insanity. They are completely worthless.

Good job CCP on making Test and Goons now strong enough to push just about anyone they want out of Null. Seeming you just made the counter to their high member count disappear. Who needs skills points anymore when you can just have 3000 noobs.

Its getting more and more pointless to keep paying for a game that keeps alienating its older players.


our rifters shall block out the sun etc~
Xhondo Dhoru
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2459 - 2011-11-17 18:15:21 UTC
Passive62 wrote:
Some ppl talk about real-life situations with the carriers etc.
Please dont forget that no navy is sailing out with just a carrier. They have carrier battle groups with dps agains submarines, ships and aircraft. If you cant kill a hic with a carrier, then ensure you have enough support in the form of sub-caps to counter that. maybe the era of the "cap-fleet" is dying now, with the start of the era of "carrier batlegroups" or "CAP-battlegroups" where all players can take part in, even the noob with a rifter


Sometimes I truly wonder if people who make posts like these have fetal alcohol syndrome or some other terrible and debilitating handicap.

One thing that I can say for certain though is that you have absolutely no comprehension of the capabilities of a Nimitz class supercarrier and should stop referencing them entirely.
Pastachick
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2460 - 2011-11-17 18:33:39 UTC
Xhondo Dhoru wrote:
Passive62 wrote:
Some ppl talk about real-life situations with the carriers etc.
Please dont forget that no navy is sailing out with just a carrier. They have carrier battle groups with dps agains submarines, ships and aircraft. If you cant kill a hic with a carrier, then ensure you have enough support in the form of sub-caps to counter that. maybe the era of the "cap-fleet" is dying now, with the start of the era of "carrier batlegroups" or "CAP-battlegroups" where all players can take part in, even the noob with a rifter


Sometimes I truly wonder if people who make posts like these have fetal alcohol syndrome or some other terrible and debilitating handicap.

One thing that I can say for certain though is that you have absolutely no comprehension of the capabilities of a Nimitz class supercarrier and should stop referencing them entirely.


I too get my my top notch top seekret military information from playing vidya all day