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Limiting SCs to only being able to take 20-25 fighters/fighter bombers is totally fail,what idiot thought of that really, Some1 with no idea of how Supers will actually be used after the patch. Alot of out of touch people obviously had these half arsed idea's. With only enough room for 20-25 Supers will only have fighters,they will have no fighter bombers, this is reality & fact. So why CCP did you create Fighter bombers if there not going to be used due to this failure of sight. Need enough room for 20fighters & 20fighter bombers OR if drone hold capacity is going to be half it is now, then you should be able to deploy 10fighters or 10fighter bombers & double up the damage. Honestly so fail...... Listen to the the Pilots that actually fly the ships day in day out, We want a nerf also, but 1 wich will refine down supers not make certian niche aspects such as fighter bombers a no go area. (sigh)

No ccp response for a month.

Any chance we could get your feedback on our feedback that you're watching so avidly?

Still think these are all awesome, well thought out, ideas?

Any word on wether the same points raised again and again for 120 pages are valid criticsms?

Shield supers? Anyone?

Any new reasons in store to actually use sc's for anything? Does anything remain to even justify the pre-fix super? Why not just use dreads and titans?

Any chance sc's could maybe hold more fighter bombers so the entire offensive capability of a 20bil isk (fitted) ship can't be nullified with just one well-planned bombing run?


etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc (no point endlessly repeating what has already be endlessly repeated)

Someone wake up the CCP guys: They fell asleep in the thread.

Lots of good points gone unread, or at least unaddressed.

Including no responses on subjects like:

• Fixing Shield Bonuses so they are on par with Armor tankers (even more critical for Shield-Tanked supers)
• Still hoping for shield equivalents to the Slave set
• Give some love to the Leviathan: The "gunboat" ttans will still be able to hit sub-caps after the DD nerf. The Levi not (unless the red pilot is kind enough to not be moving at all)
•Think about putting off the HP nerf - especially as you introduce Tier 3 BCs that do ridiculous damage (Supers may even need a HP BOOST as you have superfast, small sig radius, DPS demon boats flying about)
• Still no comment on the biggest overpowered feature of SCs: Remote repping

And, if I dare to dream:

• T2 Doomsdays that do some kind of AOE (perhaps via a script)

Keep one script for the anti-capital DD we will have after your changes. Add a second that does some kind of "Flak" damage that gives back to the biggest, most expensive, longest-to-train ship class in game some ability to defend itself.

I know titans are not meant to be solo ships and should be used in fleets, but that doesn't mean they should have zero defensive capabilities.

No, we're not laughing at CCP. We're cheering CCP for making much needed changes to the game dynamic.

We're laughing at the people who bought 20b isk "I Win" buttons who put their fingers in their ears and ignored all the comments from CCP about how supercaps were going to be rebalanced.

Sell your character, buy one without fighter bombers 5 if it will make you happier. People with the capability to deploy supercaps with support fleets will still be using them to own everything.

True may aswell create a thread just for Goons/DC so they can post all their self gaining nonescence there. All they are able to vaguely say is Supers are long over due a nerf,there not nerfed enough, this ladies & gentlemen doesn't hold water with any1, its weak nonescence, they are neither able to explain why the nerfs in place would benifit any1 but themselves or give constructive replies to help the refinement of Super Capitals, just as long as they get there own way.

Mean while those who want to benifit the EVE community from all aspects sub capital/capital & Super capital alike can get to work trying to help CCP sort this huge mess out they have got themselves into,help them develop a nerf to refine Supers down & help with other major issues the winter patch notes bring. Yes we are frustrated & sickened to think that such stupidy could happen, but we would rather sort it out than let it carry on.

I may have missed it, and forgive me if I did-but.... Was there some mention of T2 Capitals weapons? I.e. T2 Capital Rails? or T2 Capital Lasers, etc, etc? If everything has a T2 brother, I'm wondering if the T2 Capital weapons are in the idea forming process. Just a thought....

Do ccp consider to balance capital launchers too vs turrets?

As a super carrier pilot, I honestly don't mind the loss of versatility or the HP nerf...but at least, for the love of god, let us have big enough bays for 20 fighters/20 fbs...that part of the change is really dumb. The rest of it I understand, EVE was becoming Super Capital Online. I can't see any reason, with completely losing the capability to use non-fighter sized drones, that we should also be limited to carrying a sub-optimal amount of the ones we can use.

Good luck finding any after the expansion, with the sub optimal fits and nerfs, they will probably all be permanently logged off, or POS bound.

hehe even better for us lowsec guys :) then again, i guess they will just double their numbers when dropping them.