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Can I get my Mega to have it's large railguns turn into large blasters or small railguns whenever I want, too, so I don't have to use my brain or make a choice?

Do this, or I'll stop using it.

Can i shoot your railguns and blasters? can i shoot your missile launchers? when i cant loose my DPS, then we can talk about limiting the amount of back up DPS, especially considering carriers and supercarriers can not fit ANY guns of ANY size.


the easiest compromise is just to remove the drone number bonus from non fighter drones. so its back to the base 5 non-fighter drones if i have to use those types to defend myself and leave the drone bay as is.

Please CCP give minies some love.

Her's the core of the issue: you don't understand that capital were never meant for solo play, far less supercaps. You already have those effective drones for defense. You'll find them in the "Friends" section.


CCP does NOT want you to be anything but a wreck in the making if you're caught solo. They are enforcing it now.

True the winter patch contridicts itself in so many ways its laughable biased in 1 area is the least you could say about it.

You're delluding yourself.

The few players using supercaps for solo pvp do it because they want risk-free pvp. They'll log in their supers only when they expect to fight at most a handfull of subcap, and when there is no risk to be hotdropped. Typical low-sec wannabe pvpers mentality.

Those who do real solo pvp aren't afraid of doing it with subcaps.


The blob argument is ridiculous anyway. Alliances always bring as many people as they can to each and every fight, regardless of ship type. Nerfs will change the ship types used, but not the amount of players who are interested in pvp.

Have you ever seen a fleet leader say to one of his own "Stay home, we have already OP supercaps, we don't need more than XX subcap"? No? Might say a lot about your reasoning...

I really think the claim of Super Caps raging around the universe in massive blobs is overstated. In fact the vast majority of fielded Supercaps can be found in about 10 alliances and the remaining alliances have few so they rarely if ever get deployed out of fear of loss. So making Super Carriers die quicker and have effectively zero defense against subcaps is only going to make things worse for those small alliances / smaller deployments of super carriers.

Do you think PL, WN, NC. RED, ROL, and others will all of a sudden stop deploying 20-30 super carriers and 10 titans to the field? Not likely their killing capacity against structures and capitals is still unrivaled and 20-30 SCs spider tanking will still be un-killable by a 100-200 sub-cap blob, sorry to break your bubble on that one.

What will happen is the smaller alliances who on occasion field 2-3 supercaps to kill off a SBU or something will stop using them, and those pilots will get frustrated and either will sell the ships, stop flying them, or join one of the SC heavy alliances to be able to use their toys.

There are smarter ways to address the issues around Super Carriers that dont involve throwing your hands in the air and saying "too powerful" and swinging a nerf bat recklessly and it involves the greater issue of fairly balancing ship classes against each other which is tricker than just nerfing one or two ships and boosting one or two.

One of the biggest issues is Capitals (carriers/dreads) are totally obsolete in terms of risk/reward in fleet fights.. people go supers or go battleships... there is ZERO point to a BS heavy fleet bringing in a handful of carriers or dreads for extra firepower if the enemy is using supers, they become a liability instead of being a credible threat to the supers/titans.

1. Define clearer roles for Capital and Super Capital ships (dreads, carriers, supercarriers, titans)
2. Match capabilities to these roles and vary but balance within the classes
3. Any ship class should be good against its own class and the tier above it, below it, and ok against 2 below. (Dreads good versus supers / caps / battleships, ok versus BCs, super carriers good versus super-caps and capital ships, and ok versus BS)

Before you nitpick and flame I am just trying to illustrate a point. In my logic above any capital ship is still fairly vulnerable to smaller tackling / picket ships who can hold them down while the "ships of the line" blow holes in them.

No class of ship should be stuck being only good at killing its own class, EvE has fallen into this trap for a few years now and it needs to be broken out of. The reason people raced to SCs is because for the first time did you see a class of ship be VERSATILE and useful against multiple classes of ships without needing 100s of numbers. The real issue is that more ships in the capital class, and other classes are NOT as versatile and therefore under represented (dreads).

You can talk about capital blobs but they are nothing compared to subcap blobs. When a ship costs 10x as much as the next lowest class I am sorry it should be able to kill about that many ships of that class before it dies unless absurdly outnumbered. But should 100 Caps/Supers be able to defeat a 500 person sub-cap fleet. yes... and soundly if those subcaps decide to hang around and be shot up like clay pigeons. Should that cap fleet take a beating doing it, yeah.. they should probably lose 1/3 to 1/2 their numbers in the melee. Now think about that for a second before you cry...

Lets say those subcaps are worth 100m a piece, thats 50bn gone in a helldeath scenario. Lets figure those capitals are worth 10bn a piece (figure 20% super carriers, 5% titans in the mix and the rest regular caps) if 30% die thats a 30bn ISK loss, if 50% die thats a 50bn ISK loss... wow looks like parity almost with the 500 battleship losses. Yes i know this is simplified that in fact 1/3 or 1/2 the SCs and Titans died but even if they wiped out 50 carriers thats still basically 50bn ISK destroyed as well.

So the argument comes down to should 500 customers get chewed up to entertain 100... well using my scenario above the fight is pretty even, and I dont know about you but I will lose a 100m battleship to get on 30 or 50 capital/supercap/titan killmails, what about you?

Again the problem is really that Carriers and definitely Dreads have lost a lot of their versatility through the years which means that they are big fat targets for SCs and Ttians so you don't see people bringing them to the field, they would rather bring the BS blob and risk less. If Dreads could blow holes in Supers/Titans and still hit battleships and maybe if carriers could survive more than 1 DD and could do some damage to SCs/Titans you would see them on the field more.

BOOST dreads so if in Siege mode they can rip up supers/titans, not in siege mode they can do 2-3x BS damage against moving battleships.

BOOST carriers against DD and give them some better ability to injure SCs/Titans (capital energy neuts?)

T3 BCs as glass tigers to go cap hunting is good.

DO NOT NERF SCs fix the other ships

NERF titan DD against carriers / non siege dreads so that it takes more than a glancing blow to pop one. Vaporizing a 100m ISK BS is one thing... popping 1bn - 2bn isk ships like zits is unacceptable. Also nerf titan DD against any ship under BC class. You should not be able to bring out 10 titans kill all the enemy logistics in 30 seconds via DD and rip apart the fleet, THAT is crap.

DO NOT think that nerfing SCs will make fleets bring carriers to support the SCs, it wont unless you take my above suggestions. Carriers are one shot dead on the field so they will not come out to play against enemy Titans / Supers etc until this is addressed.

end of rant.

Silly me, I tought a player joined or stayed in a corp/alliance because of the other people inside it. Not because it allowed safe use of one particular ship class.




In short, those players you're refering to are cowards, and shouldn't use supers if they're not ready to lose them when the situation justify taking a chance..

Nothing wrong with CCp's changes, if they push those players out of supercaps, or shoot them from under their feet.

I see CCP is making changes to supers.

Could you guys figure out something with the 'can't dock a super' thing which effectively traps a highly skilled character? Keep in mind you won't be able to use an axe to try and fix this one. You'll need your imagination.

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