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zero2espect wrote:

It’s obvious to me that the number of players are dropping. the fury of recent blogs are designed to re-energise people into staying. Unfortunately, the changes that are listed as CCPs solutions are just ill thought through, knee jerk reactions by people so far removed from the playing of the game it makes me furious.

My preface is that the very people who have been paying subs for the last 5 years, the people who are growing tired of the game because it is broken, are being placed even more offside by these stupid changes. People who have invested millions of SP and billions of isk into capitals are being killed through stupid misconceptions about how they are used.

Another point is that there needs to be a mechanic separating 0.0 and low-sec. in 0.0 let the big boys duke it out for the billions of moon goo and the like – jump the titans, supers and dreads around all you want. Have different rules for them – they’re fighting for sov, let them bring out the bling – max bonuses. In low sec there needs to be protection for the 3643 (or whatever) corps of 50 people or less who want to pvp without the threat of their 5 baddons, 2 megas and scorp being dropped on by 15 SCs just because it’s fun on a Friday night. Limit the amount of ships that can jump through a cyno into low sec. Prevent fleets with more than 5 caps cynoing into a system. Implement a cyno cool-down onto fleets. Halve the bonuses due to security scanning protocols in low sec. Do something. You dont need to screw supers to fix the prob.

Supers. Where do I start. Forget your stupid idea with the drones. Listen, just give the super enough drone bay for 10 bombers and 5-10 fighters and halve the amount of drones able to be deployed at once. Balance this with an additional % of damage per level. Make the pilot choose between putting in bombers, fighters (cap vs bs shooting) and/or any mix of standard drones they wish – a super with 10 sentries/heavies/jamming drones isn’t going to win the next fight in delve but makes a difference to a guy bumped off a pos tackled by a hic and being bumped by 2 machs. Remove the bonuses that allow SC only fleets to remote rep each – force commanders to mix up fleets for reps. Change the ecm burst so that it uses stront so that there is a finite amount of bursting that can be accomplished. The EHP drop is there purely for SC haters – but again it’s stupid. If people are flying supercaps they’ve earned the right to have some ehp buffer. The logoffski rules provide a means that committed smaller fleets have a chance at a kill if they deserve it. I’d be happy to see that the hanger bay and corp hangers on supers be taken away so that they are pure combat ships and must rely on other jump capable ships for logistical support, amp up the fuel bay if you do this.

Titans. Remove the ability to bridge fleets or make it prohibitively expensive/limited – e.g. costs much much more or limits the number of ships similar to a wormhole (more smaller ships, few bigger ships). Fleet fight suppression is more based on the fear of massive-hostile-fleets bridging in rather than OMG 35 titans have jumped in. make the distinction between titan and super not guns but the DD and (rebalanced) jump portal. I can tell you for free that having an erebus gate camping in low sec instapowning anything with guns does not make for a fun eve (and unable to do anything because within range there are 12 supers waiting to jump in and take down anybody dumb enough to counter).

When will CCP learn that nothing good comes from BIG changes to anything. In a complex environment like EVE is, you can never understand what will happen when you make even little changes, and big changes are completely random in how they play out. Let’s be honest, CCPs record of deploying quality changes and balancing and game features is not stellar – this smells like more of the same. This whole situation came about because of a BIG change to motherships to become supers. This is like a roundabout now.

For the love of god, instead of making all these changes do 1 or 2 like I suggest, see what happens. if it’s not enough in a month do another one, then another one. Half of why we hate you CCP is that you hype up all these big changes and they never deliver what was promised. Promise less, do more small things and keep your current players happy. You may be trying to grow the game but at this rate you wont grow faster than people will leave if you keep doing crazy wholesale changes that effect people with BILLIONS invested into your universe.

I don’t have a super but I’m not on the bandwagon of NERF THE SUPERS! just because I don’t have one. I want to aspire to one day have one on this toon and the way things are going there is nothing beneficial in “wanting more” out of this game. I might as well stop producing items, buying plexes and adding value to the game and just fly ceptors and cruisers because at least when you **** them up I won’t be throwing billions down the toilet.

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Listen to the guy.
P.S. who ever thought of the idea of only allowing 25 mixed fighters & Fighter bombers should go an run into the same lamp post as gave them that stupid idea.
Needs to have the extra drone bonus taken away so Supers have a natural drone number of 10 upto 15 & have enough room for 10fighters & 10 Fight bombers & 5spare either fighters/fighter bombers, giving a bonus to damage per level to make up for the loss of numbers,and give a slight boost to HP to fighters/FBs so they can't be cream crackers fast & have a little more survivabilty to make up for the loss of numbers. This option will reduce lagg also, so a win win situation.
Or could go for enough room for 20 fighters & 20 fighter bombers and space for 5 spare fighters/fighter bombers. Prefer first option, but these are viable. What you sugessted CCP isn't and is LOLness of fail.

Wormholes are a great addition to the game.

Seriously though, WH is how EVE should be. No local, no perfect intel, no perfect map so you can camp all of your entrances forever, limited fleet and ship sizes (no supers \o/); it's great.

There is actual risk, as you can never be completely sure you are not being scouted right now... LOOK OUT, a covops is getting warpins on you and your shinies RIGHT NOW.

We are well driving off topic with this wormhole things. I'd like to stay focused on the topic. But in short yeah you may farm wormholes if u like PvE... But you can't do both Wormholes and daily PVP unless u doing it with different characters, which is ugly solution if you think about it.... Imagine you would be a person in that world.

Im supercarrier pilot and after patch im leave eve online because you learn skills a long time then spend 20b to buy and what now? NOTHING I think if you have drone bay the player must decide what type of drones you want to have in it not CCP or somebody else !! And what with fighers after patch supercarriers cant do anything to l cruisers especially heavydictors and theoretically cruisers gangs can destroy SC if it alone ?so why i spend 20billions ISK ?? THANK you CCP to destroy my interest to play eve online .

and Im betting too if you have 1 alt is your problem guy this topic about nerf and not about personal skills

All that i hear is crying from super capital pilots goes something like this: O no you are taking away my bot i can no longer RMT "or" O no i can no longer warp to the gate DD and warp of "or" i no longer have I WIN button my alliance is going to fail now...

Shows how stupid and arrogant most super capital pilots are. They think just cuss they payed 20billion and had to train 3 months more for stupid Fighters 5 and Jump Cal 5 that they deserve a dominant ship that can either fly solo or in fleet. Wrong..

Super Carriers: Used for killing capitals and other super capitals - Meant to be used as a fleet support .. "read" supporting sub capital fleets. Meaning it doesn't do **** solo.

Titan: Used for 1 shooting the most crucial target on field and than providing DPS to counter opposing capitals and super capitals not wrecking sub capital ships that is just plain stupid. And to be used as a BOOSTER BONUS and LOGISTICAL PLATFORM. They were meant to be 1 peer fleet not 100. They cant and shouldn't be able to have any offensive capability against sub-capital ships they need fleet support all the time.

If you think that because you spent 3 months more training for 2 extra skills and spend 20B for the ship should give you a ship that can kill anything solo your ******* stupid and ******** and its you who is ruining this game for others not CCP.

ALSO WE WERE TOLD LONG AGO THAT SUPER CAPITALS WILL BE NERFED AND BALANCED ALL THE WAY BACK WHEN THEY NERFED TITANS DOOMSDAY FROM AOE TO FOCUS.

CCP SAID WE ARE LOOKING HOW TO FURTHER BALANCE SUPER CAPITALS AND IN 2 YEARS THEY HAVE BEEN OVER ABUSED AND NEERING THEM IS BALANCING THEM

YOU ALL KNEW THAT THEY WILL BE NERFED AND NERFED HARD.. YOU PURCHASED ONE KNOWING THIS. DONT CRY ABOUT IT NOW.

You should have thought about this when you and 150 of your super capital buddies were 2 chicken **** to fight a 10 man BS fleet in a equal size in sub capitals so you hot dropped them whit a supercapital blob.

Also:

1. Titans guns tracking needs to be nerfed so they match Dread's guns in sige mode so they cant hit subcapitals
2. Dreads guns should have enough tracking to hit supercapitals in sige mode

personally believe that supercaps (MS's and titans) should always be immune to being bonused with positive ewar (remote tracking enhancers etc..) but keep their gun tracking as they are.

if titan pilots want to sacrifice cap regen for tracking increases to hit subcaps then fair enough. but they shouldnt be able to rely on subcaps to boost their tracking.


basically change the remote bonusing from other ships to non-aggressive (aka make titans have to rely on carrier or subcap remote cap transfers) if they want to fit full aggro midslots (tracking computers etc)

so lets get this one out their ccp made the titan class to be a massive dic k is space their words.
their are not meant to be practical.
remove the dd from hitting sub caps works and remove remote links will fix them to a degree.

That is the single most stupid "St00pid" argument you can make. The nerfs they are considering are great and fix all the issues smaller alliances and alliances that cannot field 100 super capitals have.
For Super Carriers to be able to use other than Fighters and Fighter Bombers is plain stupid because it does not fix the BLOB warfare.

SUPER CAPITALS SHOULD HAVE NO OFFENSIVE CAPABILITY AGAINST SUB-CAPITAL SHIPS PERIOD

Now they will serve their true role Super Carrier will be the anti-structure and anti-capital and anti-supercapital ship, Titan will be the main fleet command ship and fleet logistic ship.



Now a small alliance can make a push in to say Raiden. space and they have to meet them whit a subcapital fleet having super capital support only for bonuses and not as a offensive power against their sub capitals.

Exactly