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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Morgana Noven
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#1481 - 2013-01-17 19:04:32 UTC
Jr Instructorcon wrote:
My alliance has a suicide watch style support network for people who manage the 500+ POS/infrastructure my alliance needs.

Stew on that for awhile.


We also support multiboxing deployment of towers using supers.
Jim Parsons
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1482 - 2013-01-17 19:04:41 UTC
POSes affect me, my members, and even some of the applicants I see and interview. They are MUCH more than just a shield to warp to (although the E-UNI one has been in "war" mode since I joined), and not having them be as important as docking stations, planets, ships, wormholes and jump gates hurts the credibility of EVE Online as a truly realistic and awesome space MMORPG.
Celly Smunt
Neutin Local LLC
#1483 - 2013-01-17 19:04:43 UTC
Jr Instructorcon wrote:
My alliance has a suicide watch style support network for people who manage the 500+ POS/infrastructure my alliance needs.

Stew on that for awhile.



ok, unless I'm misreading that, that sounds like more than a "small portion" :P

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Mel Anin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1484 - 2013-01-17 19:04:55 UTC
I too support POS fixing.
IrJosy
Club 1621
#1485 - 2013-01-17 19:05:01 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Sir SmashAlot wrote:
Plex for POS drive anyone?



The opposite is more viable. You can attack the subs. I already have a plan to do it actually.


But...You would need some sort of group of super rich mega lords to have even the slightest effect on the PLEX market...


Blink
drewex
Adversity.
Psychotic Tendencies.
#1486 - 2013-01-17 19:06:42 UTC
Posting in hope of a brighter future with better pos systems
Rengerel en Distel
#1487 - 2013-01-17 19:06:49 UTC
Daenna Chrysi wrote:
There is this graphic in one of the dev blogs, just realized it kinda explains the thing well.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74191


Quote:
N.B. The feature areas listed above are examples, exact details of what will be in the various releases will come at a later date.


The graphic was just a picture of an example of a plan, not the plan.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Vayna Miychovich
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#1488 - 2013-01-17 19:07:00 UTC
mynnna wrote:
CCP should feel like we're simply voicing our support for a feature we deeply care about, not that we're a riotous crowd trying to ransom them into developing a feature we care about. Thus, being rude or mean is not the way to go.


Logging in 'cause we care.
Arianna HurfBlurfington
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1489 - 2013-01-17 19:07:15 UTC
Joining in on POS Threadnaught.

Up with POS (fixes)

Down with CCP!!!
Air Cloud
The Amazing Squirrels
#1490 - 2013-01-17 19:07:19 UTC
POSes are crucial to this game in aa lot of ways, like: production of t2 elements, capitals, living in wormholes and nullsec, and even just satisfaction of having your own base in high sec. So fix them :)
CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1491 - 2013-01-17 19:07:45 UTC
Both me and CCP Unifex are following this discussion, and will respond when we've had a chance to catch up on all of it and can address and clarify some things properly. Please see CCP Gargant's post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2475724#post2475724

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Zann Mei
Goonswarm Federation
#1492 - 2013-01-17 19:07:52 UTC
Hey CCP, are you sure this is your "small part" of the community?
Spudzeebee
Nice Try.
#1493 - 2013-01-17 19:08:06 UTC
As the owner of a wh-based alliance I can also echo the sentiments of so many of the people in this thread.

POS's are a necessity for us, and yet in almost every area of their initial setup, configuration or subsequent operation they are a source of irritation, soul-sucking tedium and hassle.

None of this is new. The gaping security holes have been known for some time. Whole threads have been devoted to the analysis of areas that need improvement and suggestions on how to fix them.

I don't particularly want some POS-based Jesus feature in 18 months. What I need is CCP to actually commit to doing something about this mess now, and in a timely manner.

I'd happily take immediate iteration on asset security for example even at the expense of some major revamp that might be many upgrade cycles away. We need improvement right now on so many areas that putting all of it off is simply a bad decision.

As for the rest of the wh-based stuff, Klokvarg (Post #85) summed it up for me most succinctly. Wormhole dwellers have had the ****** end of the stick now for far too long. Fixing POS's in some way would go a long way to improving the daily Eve experience for all of us.

Spud
[ISEN Leader who would rather visit the dentist than deal with POS]
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#1494 - 2013-01-17 19:09:16 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Two step wrote:


Again, I'd like to remind folks that are actually reading this thread to keep things civil and constructive. Going all nutso will only hurt the chances of getting CCP to work on POSes.


While I agree with this to some point, however how long should the playerbase play nice? This has been discussed and almost unanimously support from the playerbase for years, yet it has remained a elephant in the room. While many would not wish to resort to rage, it seems to be the only effective measure to get CCP support, as history would show.

Development on this should have started shortly after Apocrapha, especially with the explosion of POS use when wormholes where released. Yet it does not seem that CCP even cares or has even started working on it.


Lets try playing nice until the planning process is done, to start with.

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Kimon Shannon
Set Phasers To Malky
#1495 - 2013-01-17 19:10:30 UTC
Please fix the POS system!
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#1496 - 2013-01-17 19:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
WTF?

I'm starting out in POS business currently. Everything is planned and prepared. Most of the stuff required to run this for at least two years is ready to go in the trade hubs.

All I'm waiting for is to get the standings sorted out. This will be sometime in March.

I even subbed a new account to support my other industrial toons for this. Small portion of the community? Evil

Get going CCP! Nobody requires you to deliver this in a fortnight. But please get going!

Remove standings and insurance.
Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
#1497 - 2013-01-17 19:10:49 UTC
About 3% of daily logons in here (there will be a few people who have posted more than once, but still this is a very big number.)

System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#1498 - 2013-01-17 19:11:06 UTC
Two step wrote:


Lets try playing nice until the planning process is done, to start with.


Well your no fun.

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Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#1499 - 2013-01-17 19:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nair Alderau
CCP Seagull wrote:
Both me and CCP Unifex are following this discussion, and will respond when we've had a chance to catch up on all of it and can address and clarify some things properly. Please see CCP Gargant's post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2475724#post2475724


Good to hear.

I was always of the opinion that the POST-Incarna CCP was way better at listening to and communicating with the playerbase than the old CCP.

Thankfully this thread has stayed very polite and constructive. All we are emphasizing is that POSes are probably the area of the game almost the entire playerbase wants to be properly done.

Also think of the allure to newer players... Your own small POS (even if you can dock only 2 cruisers worth of m³) somewhere in a bookmark/safespot in your highsec system... It's not just an older player thing. Most new players LOVE the idea of their own little home. Just theirs. If it's cheap enough, they won't even ragequit when it gets destroyed after they've been wardecced. :p
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1500 - 2013-01-17 19:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: mynnna
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Two step wrote:


Lets try playing nice until the planning process is done, to start with.


Well your no fun.

Perhaps. But he is right.
CCP Seagull wrote:
Both me and CCP Unifex are following this discussion, and will respond when we've had a chance to catch up on all of it and can address and clarify some things properly. Please see CCP Gargant's post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2475724#post2475724

Glad to hear it. I look forward to it quite eagerly.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal