Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Oh Fozzie, I'm sorta underwhelmed and disappointed. Admittedly, I'm not yet crunching numbers to see what fits, but here are my impressions and worries -

Stupid 7.5 armor repairer bonus still on both gallente BCs? This is useless unless you imprve MARs, or massively up the grid, and if you do that then lots of people will just fit plates for fleet work. Then they will still be left with a ship with one used bonus.

The overdone 10% optimal still on the longest range guns in the game for the Ferox Can you not see the problem with giving rails the most base optimal and then topping it off with a 10% per level bonus on all the Caldari ships? Tone it down to 7.5%. And why are both Caldari BCs retaining a resist bonus? It is so much better than the peice of **** 7.5 armor repairer bonus on the gallente BCs. At least you didn't massively buff the Drake with a rof bonus. But, where is the "rebalancing" I was expecting when I opened this thread page?

Why is the Cyclone so much more blessed in fitting than the Cane now? ASB sure, but with all that grid I suppose you could fit a better armor tank on the damn thing than on the Cane as well. You already took a high away from the Cane. The dual neut phenomenon will be a thing of the past (unless someone wants to sacrifice a turret). So why is the cane going to be starved for grid (are 720s, a mwd, and a 1600 still possible?)?

Ugh, that prophecy. So it's now a vexor with more tank. Not very exciting tbh. And the Harby, still the 10% cap use reduction bonus. Nothing innovative here. Lasers are not all that that this ship can do anything special. At least you are removing the irritating offset turret from below the nose. But what does this ship really have going for it? Still nothing special and the resist bonused Drakes and Feroxes will continue to be much preferred over it.

Laslty, you do not mention anything about fixing the BC shield regen imbalance. Still giving almost a BS sized shield an almost cruiser sized shield regen time leads to not enough nerf on the passive shield BC ubiquity. If some poor ******* has to continue to self nerf his own grid to fit a cap injector(s) and multiple MARs to make anything of the stupid armor repairer bonus on the gallente ships, but there is no increase in shield regen time on BCs overall the passive shield regen will still be better tank for pve in BCs than any cap charge nomnoming multi-MAR or milktoast single MAR tank on an armor BC.

Please start shaking these ships up some more. After so much relatively good work with Cruisers and Frigs, I am disappoint.

Edit - Having just read Sigras' post, lol so true. Now instead of 425 dual med neut canes I suppose we'll see HAM dual neut Cyclones instead.

The extra low is pretty important since the drone damage amps are low slots. The extra 5% armor resist is effectively giving you an extra low with massive resists that don't incur diminishing returns.

On the Myrmidon you have an extra heavy drone (4 instead of 3) so 33% more damage, but one drone damage amp less. You get a 37.5% better repair efficiency, but this pales compared to 25% to all resists with no diminishing returns.

Unless they fix the armor rep bonus to be useful with remote reps, the Myrmidon is pretty terrible with an armor tank, while the Prophecy looks like what the Myrmidon has always wanted to be.

And it wasn't me, who said it!

Well, one thing the Myrm is still possibly better at (depending on the unlisted shield recharge rate), is passive shield tanking (), and using the lows for damage mods.

Though quite a bit of shield was taken away...
...Reminds me, why take away armor, buffing hull above it's amount, if so dead-set on keeping armor repair bonuses.
Gallente ships?
Has a thousand less armor than the Prophecy AND a low less AND no resist bonus.

With 400 CPU? Unlikely.

6 turrets with a 50% damage bonus means: 6 * 1.5 = 9. So the damage equivalent of 9 turrets with the cap use and cost of 6.

7 turrets with a 25% damage bonus means: 7 * 1.25 = 8.75. So the damage equivalent of 8.75 turrets with the cap use and cost of 7.

Is this really that difficult?

EDIT:
Also consider the PG and CPU required to fit 7 vs 6 turrets

For those of you too dumb to figure this out. 7 turrets cost more and use more cap than 6 turrets. Having a ship be more expensive and use more cap to fire its guns makes it worse. These changes make the Harbinger a better ship.

Better, its a buff, not a nerf.

Why do you hate me? The Drake get's its HML damage reduced, then I hear about the kin bonus getting removed for omni. I'm down with that. Taking out the extra high is fine. You don't put anything there on most fits anyhow, but then further reducing fitting....Taking away shield and armor THEN GIVING IT 800K MORE MASS!!!

Baby, you know I love you and I want to have your children, but don't take advantage of my heart like this. Get rid of the kin bonus and make it omni and I'll ignore the fact that the only thing this does better now is loot ****.

Cyclone = Why only 5 launchers????

Myrm+Brutix = I really wish you could give them different bonuses from each other than the armor rep bonus. It seems like it's just a lack of creativity here. Give the Brutix a different bonus.

Drake+Ferox = Same thing. I know that both could use the resist bonus, but seriously - why can't we do something a bit more creative with these second bonuses than give them the same one for each?

I guess I don't quite get why you're doing what you're doing with the Harbinger overall.

I'm curious to see how these slightly less HP BC's are going to stand in the new age.

That's all you see them do? look at the battleclinic fits. Shield tanked and sniper fit. Mini Malestrom.

The targeting ranges seem pretty low compared to what all the other modified ships have gotten. There are frigates that target twice as far as a hurricane for example.


Also, can you comment on the reasoning for the very minor changes in hp? Like taking 16 structure away from the cane seems just a strange thing to decide on.

I think the ferox is still subpar - you still dont snipe with medium rails, and the brutix outdoes it as a close range blaster platform.

Same for the myrm and prophecy - drones as a weapons platform have some serious problems, and even just tracking bonused guns would help both ships a lot.