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Today's RR (stealth) Bug Fix, and its consequences

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Solitary Pal
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-01-08 20:35:19 UTC
So this means that my alliances remote rep battleship gang won't work?

My entire fleet who like to use remote repping modules on their battleships, different corps same alliance - fighting against legal war targets will all go suspect?

This is simply outrageous!

I have a monocle therefore my opinion matters more than yours.
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#22 - 2013-01-08 20:36:42 UTC
Solitary Pal wrote:
So this means that my alliances remote rep battleship gang won't work?

My entire fleet who like to use remote repping modules on their battleships, different corps same alliance - fighting against legal war targets will all go suspect?

This is simply outrageous!


Correct.
Merouk Baas
#23 - 2013-01-08 21:37:15 UTC
Well, if you have an entire fleet and it goes suspect, it's doubtful the high-sec bystanders will attack the whole damn fleet, that's suicidal.
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#24 - 2013-01-08 21:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriel Malakai
Merouk Baas wrote:
Well, if you have an entire fleet and it goes suspect, it's doubtful the high-sec bystanders will attack the whole damn fleet, that's suicidal.


Only the logi will go suspect. The combat ships won't be able to get involved in the limited engagements. Besides, even if the whole fleet is suspect, you can pick them apart individually.
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#25 - 2013-01-08 21:39:47 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Well, if you have an entire fleet and it goes suspect, it's doubtful the high-sec bystanders will attack the whole damn fleet, that's suicidal.


Depends on where in hi-sec, try it at Jita 4-4 and let me know what happens :)
Brusanan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-01-08 21:44:57 UTC
Solitary Pal wrote:
So this means that my alliances remote rep battleship gang won't work?

My entire fleet who like to use remote repping modules on their battleships, different corps same alliance - fighting against legal war targets will all go suspect?

This is simply outrageous!

Yeah, the bugs aren't nearly as much fun when they are working against you instead of for you. P

Hopefully CCP will not take a month to fix this issue.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#27 - 2013-01-08 22:21:52 UTC
So, CCP let a major bug go for a month, stealth patched it without notice, and then still screwed it up?

There's a surprise......Shocked

Signature removed - CCP Eterne
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-01-08 22:24:18 UTC
Nice, time to run a stealth bomber gang into Jita.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#29 - 2013-01-08 22:35:57 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Nice, time to run a stealth bomber gang into Jita.


The minute a bug lets me launch a bomb in highsec, this is what im doing.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-01-08 22:37:01 UTC
GUYS WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT CRIMEWATCH 2.0, IT'LL BE SO MUCH SIMPLER
**** WE BROKE A BUNCH OF STUFF, NOW WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT NEW RULES
OH LOOK CRIMEWATCH IS COMPLICATED AGAIN

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#31 - 2013-01-08 22:44:37 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
alliances are useless, and people should just merge corps.


Sounds like a solution to me. Get to merging.
Brusanan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-01-08 22:45:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
GUYS WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT CRIMEWATCH 2.0, IT'LL BE SO MUCH SIMPLER
**** WE BROKE A BUNCH OF STUFF, NOW WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT NEW RULES
OH LOOK CRIMEWATCH IS COMPLICATED AGAIN

Oh god, what have we done? If only every Eve player ever had seen this coming and warned CCP about it before Crimewatch 2.0 was released, maybe we could have prevented it. Sad
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#33 - 2013-01-08 22:47:46 UTC
This, if true, sucks monkeyballs. I'll be damned if we're going to be suspect flagged for participating in Faction Warfare and running logistics. Allow me to investigate this matter, it is clearly unacceptable in any way, shape, or form if I am reading this right.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#34 - 2013-01-08 22:49:54 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
This, if true, sucks monkeyballs. I'll be damned if we're going to be suspect flagged for participating in Faction Warfare and running logistics. Allow me to investigate this matter, it is clearly unacceptable in any way, shape, or form if I am reading this right.


I don't know how this affects FW, as I'm not involved in it. I can only attest to this being the case regarding war decs between corps/alliances.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#35 - 2013-01-08 22:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
And, before anybody gets their panties in a twist, of course this adversely affects far more than just Faction Warfare pilots. I just used that as an example so you understand that I personally have some skin in this and will be doing what I can to get to the bottom of why this decision was made and what is being done to mitigate some of the god-awful side effects it creates.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#36 - 2013-01-08 22:51:53 UTC
this is just asking for a standings overhaul and a max blue list of 3 corps and 3 allainces....


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DEATH TO BLUE 0.0

DEATH TO POWERBLOBS


WELCOME FFA EVE

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WELCOME GUERILLA WARFARE

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WELCOME FUN EVE AGAIN
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-01-08 22:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Freighdee Katt
Is it possible for one corp to wardec another corp only, without going to war with the target corp's alliance? Because if that is possible, then there is going to be a problem extending suspect immunity to the alliance and not just the corp. Not saying it doesn't need to be extended; clearly it does to make alliance wars not pants-on-head crazy broken.

Assume Corp A and Corp B only wardec each other. They're in alliances that are not at war. Then Corp A and Corp B engage, and they have alliance mates (not in either corp) repping them. If the alliance mates are suspect immune, then they can rep all day long while war targets (and everyone else) just stands around doing a whole lot of nothing about it.

If this is the case, then it seems like there needs to be some sort of Temporary War Target flag that you pick up from helping anyone who is in legal combat with their opposite number in a valid war. And that just sounds like a whole stupid nasty can of worms to open up.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#38 - 2013-01-08 23:00:05 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
This, if true, sucks monkeyballs. I'll be damned if we're going to be suspect flagged for participating in Faction Warfare and running logistics. Allow me to investigate this matter, it is clearly unacceptable in any way, shape, or form if I am reading this right.


I don't know how this affects FW, as I'm not involved in it. I can only attest to this being the case regarding war decs between corps/alliances.


Because FW basically is a bunch of folks in different corps in perpetual wars. We also see a lot of wardecs, although as Hans pointed out this effects pretty much anyone.

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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#39 - 2013-01-08 23:02:06 UTC
Freighdee Katt wrote:
Is it possible for one corp to wardec another corp only, without going to war with the target corp's alliance? Because if that is possible, then there is going to be a problem extending suspect immunity to the alliance and not just the corp. Not saying it doesn't need to be extended; clearly it does to make alliance wars not pants-on-head crazy broken.

Assume Corp A and Corp B only wardec each other. They're in alliances that are not at war. Then Corp A and Corp B engage, and they have alliance mates (not in either corp) repping them. If the alliance mates are suspect immune, then they can rep all day long while war target (and everyone else) just stands around doing a whole lot of nothing about it.


You cannot dec a singular corp within an alliance, only the alliance as a whole.
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#40 - 2013-01-08 23:02:57 UTC
Ashterothi wrote:
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
This, if true, sucks monkeyballs. I'll be damned if we're going to be suspect flagged for participating in Faction Warfare and running logistics. Allow me to investigate this matter, it is clearly unacceptable in any way, shape, or form if I am reading this right.


I don't know how this affects FW, as I'm not involved in it. I can only attest to this being the case regarding war decs between corps/alliances.


Because FW basically is a bunch of folks in different corps in perpetual wars. We also see a lot of wardecs, although as Hans pointed out this effects pretty much anyone.


I meant that I'm not sure how it affects fights between the militias, not decs that happen to be between FW corps/alliances.