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It's All About Trust

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Lechert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2013-01-15 21:31:01 UTC
Richter Enderas wrote:
never trust GOON

all GOON do is make money for RMT....

we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......

THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???

u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr


goonspiracy.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#122 - 2013-01-15 21:55:02 UTC
Richter Enderas wrote:
never trust GOON

all GOON do is make money for RMT....

we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......

THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???

u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr

Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member.
That being the key difference.
The Goon is a horrible thing.
The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry.
That is the difference.
One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction.
Now bring on the bounties!
I want some more!
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#123 - 2013-01-15 22:02:50 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:


but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.



To summarize, for anyone who may want the TL:DR version (narrated as from the author's point of view):

"A goon applied to my friendly help corp, and told me he wasn't a goon anymore. Having played Eve for many years, I understand that nothing is more reliable than a man's word in eve, and accepted him into the corp on that. Through some twist of fate that I do not understand, he blew up my navy raven. My world has come to an end. I am disbanding everyone from the corp and will never help anyone ever again."


Really dude. You knew better, and yet you still invited the guy to your corp. Suck it up, and move on.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-01-15 22:05:54 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it.

Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old.

I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now.


I love this post. "Hurr durr one bad apple, no reason to trust anyone. Even if I knew the bad apple was a bad apple when I saw him."
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#125 - 2013-01-15 22:09:06 UTC
Wait a minute OP let me see if I get this straight:

YOU make a mistake, and so you kick everyone from your corp because of the mistake YOU made. This says a lot more about what you think of your corp members than you would like us to believe (oh yes, the selfless helping CEO).

If you're not prepared to face your mistakes and learn from your failures, you have no place in this game long term. I don't understand why the rest of your corp members have to be punished. Give the CEO title to someone else, get your stuff out, and leave. But disbanding a corp due to an awoxer? Not only is it a little childish but that awoxer must be laughing very, very hard now.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#126 - 2013-01-15 22:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Tad of an over-reaction there imo. If he's ruined your entire corporation, as well as your trust in those that have shown their loyality, then you're just making him win even more. I can already see the Goon bloke boasting about his single kill that brought down an entire highsec mission running corp. Pretty much a badge of honor for guys like that.

This sort of thing is the plague of ALL corporations. The bloke that did it in my coporation was able to steal a ****-ton of ships from our SMA, totaling far more than your single mission ship. I took it as a lesson that EvE is full of dicks. But far be it for me to throw out all my members, it just encouraged me to beef up my security, and be super-paranoid regarding recruitment.

Don't let the fool get you down. Rise from the ashes of this defeat, and strive to make your corporation better than ever!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#127 - 2013-01-15 22:33:05 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it.

Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old.

I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now.


I love this post. "Hurr durr one bad apple, no reason to trust anyone. Even if I knew the bad apple was a bad apple when I saw him."


Hrm.... I don't know. Maybe the whole point of EvE is that you don't trust people by default.

The OP is simply reaffirming whate most people know which is that you simply don't trust people by default.

Also, isn't this thread a week old that you're replying to?

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Parsival
The Avalon Foundation
#128 - 2013-01-15 23:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Parsival
Bud Austrene wrote:
Test them with lower hanging fruit....



That fail-fit CNR was low hanging fruit Lol
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#129 - 2013-01-15 23:22:05 UTC
Is it a bad sign if I make more per week than ops ship manufacturing and was considering bringing in a 3day old who tried to kill me in lowsec?
I sent him to RVB as he wanted to fight, and the email I got from him seems to indicate he is very happy with the thought.
Well that and the 10 mil.
Or is it a sign I am comfy with loss and am looking more into the community side of EVE?
Ckra Trald
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2013-01-16 00:30:40 UTC
You were killed by a Goon Awoxer? You must have missed out alot. http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/cm-29403-050932f3063c3c.gif

http://www.rusemen.com/ Join Tengoo xd
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2013-01-16 15:46:09 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.

Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.

Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.

Do you see where I am going now?

I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.

It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?

All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.

'Nough said.



Wish I knew who the goonie was, I'd like to thank them for trying to preserve the true spirit of eve-online. Lol

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#132 - 2013-01-16 15:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
NEONOVUS wrote:
Richter Enderas wrote:
never trust GOON

all GOON do is make money for RMT....

we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......

THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???

u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr

Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member.
That being the key difference.
The Goon is a horrible thing.
The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry.
That is the difference.
One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction.
Now bring on the bounties!
I want some more!

"Me, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you want to watch out for, 'cause you can never predict if they're going to do something incredibly stupid. "

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#133 - 2013-01-16 16:49:26 UTC
I find it odd that corp mates can kill each other with impunity. Yay for griefing mechanics.

If it's meant to be so corp mates can duel each other, then perhaps make it so a corp mate can never do a killing blow on a corp ship.

Call it a duel mode perhaps.

Someone else would have to, or someone would have to leave the corp or get kicked from it. Which in high sec would mean possible Concording.

~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#134 - 2013-01-16 17:26:37 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now.

You could have, you know, taken out a 200mil BS to run a mission with the guy a few times, test the waters so to speak, see how he does with the corp, planned a few ops with fairly cheap ships to try and rat him out until you felt he was safe. Now, though, you're going to blame Goons for the paranoia you should already have as a CEO, which is hilarious.



For the love of Pete, yes!

I never risk pricey missioning ships with anyone. No lvl 4 mission requires more than me to run. Bringing someone along just hurts your isk per hour and quite dramtically as well.

If I do take new toons along, I do it in a cheaper ship. I will take new toons out with me from time to time to help them out. However, a toon over several months old? No way. Waste of time even if they are sincere.

High sec is best done solo. Get out to Null if you want to work together and have comradrie. Seriously. Null sec is quite fun and can't really be done solo :)
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#135 - 2013-01-16 17:44:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
NEONOVUS wrote:
Richter Enderas wrote:
never trust GOON

all GOON do is make money for RMT....

we know that GOON ceo THE MATTINNI make money off of kill mission runner......

THE MATTINNI secretly work for CCP.......why do u think GOON not disband???

u paying CCP by trusting GOON......grrrr

Actually I would trust a Goonswarm member.
That being the key difference.
The Goon is a horrible thing.
The Goonswarm member is just as varied as the rest of EVE but are still here to have fun not to go and watch everybody send deathglares for making some one cry.
That is the difference.
One is for fun and chaos, the other for pain suffering and destruction.
Now bring on the bounties!
I want some more!

"Me, I'm dishonest, and you can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest. Honestly, it's the honest ones you want to watch out for, 'cause you can never predict if they're going to do something incredibly stupid. "

Pretty much plus if I do something nice like say run jump freighter or cap building the greifing is less likely so long as I do it for the right people.
That and they tend to be in it for fun as well so that is always a plus.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#136 - 2013-01-16 18:04:31 UTC
1. OP flies HML CNR (Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Siege and Cruise Missile Launcher Rate Of Fire and 10% bonus to Torpedo and Cruise Missile Velocity per level of skill )

2. OP dies. (trust actually not important on this point)

3. Darwin's theory of natural selection lives on, in virtual form.



If you lack the common sense to fit a ship according to it's bonuses, you deserve to lose it.

The fact that OP thinks his fit is irrelevant and that trust is the issue here just adds to the hilarity of the situation.


I'll clue you in, OP: Try learning the most basic, simple 'rules' about the games you play...maybe then you won't do such stupid things.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-01-16 21:58:27 UTC
I still don't see where this is coming from.

The CNR was Cruise fitted. Doh.

The member had been in the corp just long enough to fly 18 jumps. I kinda thought he might be ready to go.

I was actually testing spider capping, and hadn't accepted the mission yet. That might explain a lot to people who have played for a while.

We all know, now, that there are no ex-Goonies.

I do not fly BCL Approved ships. Many of my ships are named 'Not BCL Approved'. I fly what works for me. That ship had been successful for months. No repair bills and all missions completed. What more do you want?

I still can't understand what the ship or the fit as to do with it.

As for my poor, dis-respected ex-corp members? Many had left a few days before because of a war dec. They didn't want to follow the rules. The others? Trial accounts and people who didn't produce. Sorry. No loss there. I did keep 2.

You have to realize that a corporation should be a living, growing, organism. Not a group of solo pilots that aren't trust-worthy.
Ildryn
IDLE INTENTIONS
#138 - 2013-01-16 22:08:47 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
My CEO is an ex-Goon from the BOB days, guess that's why our corp is only RL friends.


How did he become CEO of a noob corp?
CURRENT CORPORATION
University of Caille [UC] from 2012.10.27 03:32 to this day
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#139 - 2013-01-16 22:09:01 UTC
Needmore Longcat wrote:
His raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


Who is 'He'. Mine wasn't equipped anywhere near like that. Look above.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2013-01-16 22:15:41 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
994 million ISK down the tubes.


Learn to love your ship blowing up, and don't fly something you can't afford to lose...

On a long enough timeline everyone lose their ship...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.